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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Gwen Patton
 

Maybe the dock isn't properly powering the ThumbDV? I have my ThumbDV on a RasPi III with a powered hub attached. It absolutely will not work on an unpowered hub, or one that has too little power. The port on the RasPi has USB power, but it isn't ENOUGH power. So I have to use a powered hub with plenty of juice. I could run it on my Android phone directly with an OTG cable, but the battery drain was terrible, and I couldn't find a way to run it OTG *and* charge the phone at the same time. So I set it up on the powered hub on a RasPi, with a dynamic DNS connection to a subdomain I got from the dynamic DNS provider. I can access it from anywhere, including on my phone, when away from home, either 4G or WiFi or over the Ethernet LAN at home.

I suspect your dock isn't supplying enough amperage for it. I've seen docks and dongles that you'd think were powered, but really weren't -- all they did was just split the port you plugged them into, and didn't supply any additional power, basically an UNpowered hub. So that'd be my first test -- use a hub with an actual wall wart going to mains power and see if it works better. You could plug the powered hub into the dock and if it works, leave it there.

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73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM David Dennis <dave@...> wrote:

I assume the ThumbDV is using an FTDI device for the USB to Serial conversion. 

I’ve noticed similar issues when not plugged directly into the PC.   This is compared to a Powered Hub.   I’m starting to be suspect of the FTDI driver.    My guess is the driver may not be forgiving of some timing issue that is made worse when connected through a hub.   But that is just a wild guess.

 

Dave

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [ambe] Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

HAH! That was it!

 

Connecting the ThumbDV directly to the laptop's embedded USB port works. Connecting it to a Dell laptop dock (powered) does not.

 

Of course, that's terribly frustrating. The point of the dock is to avoid plugging in / unplugging equipment.

 

Any idea how to solve this?

 

73,

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:28 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:

Dave,

I’m baffled. It looks fine. We only change a few values, as you can see in the script, and the manufacturing date is entered by hand and it is correct as well. Are you direct connected to the machine? We have seen some problems with unpowered hubs.

Bryan


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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

David Dennis
 

I assume the ThumbDV is using an FTDI device for the USB to Serial conversion. 

I’ve noticed similar issues when not plugged directly into the PC.   This is compared to a Powered Hub.   I’m starting to be suspect of the FTDI driver.    My guess is the driver may not be forgiving of some timing issue that is made worse when connected through a hub.   But that is just a wild guess.

 

Dave

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:50 PM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io Notification <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ambe] Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

HAH! That was it!

 

Connecting the ThumbDV directly to the laptop's embedded USB port works. Connecting it to a Dell laptop dock (powered) does not.

 

Of course, that's terribly frustrating. The point of the dock is to avoid plugging in / unplugging equipment.

 

Any idea how to solve this?

 

73,

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:28 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:

Dave,

I’m baffled. It looks fine. We only change a few values, as you can see in the script, and the manufacturing date is entered by hand and it is correct as well. Are you direct connected to the machine? We have seen some problems with unpowered hubs.

Bryan


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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Kk4lzx@...
 

Bryan, I also have a Thumb DV which I purchased last November. I’ve tried to run it on a variety of pc’s with Windows 10 & 7 with no success, it never shows up in device manager and no led’s ever light up. I’ve reported it via the support web page.

Can I also return it for an exchange?

John Ashall

On Apr 28, 2020, at 14:05, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@gmail.com> wrote:

Send it back anyways. The port detect depends on the EEPROM being programmed correctly.

On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@gmail.com> wrote:

It means the ThumbDV is good. Did both Green/Red LEDs flash?



Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

HAH! That was it!

Connecting the ThumbDV directly to the laptop's embedded USB port works. Connecting it to a Dell laptop dock (powered) does not.

Of course, that's terribly frustrating. The point of the dock is to avoid plugging in / unplugging equipment.

Any idea how to solve this?

73,

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:28 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
Dave,

I’m baffled. It looks fine. We only change a few values, as you can see in the script, and the manufacturing date is entered by hand and it is correct as well. Are you direct connected to the machine? We have seen some problems with unpowered hubs.

Bryan



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  W3DJS


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

Dave,

I’m baffled. It looks fine. We only change a few values, as you can see in the script, and the manufacturing date is entered by hand and it is correct as well. Are you direct connected to the machine? We have seen some problems with unpowered hubs.

Bryan


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

Here's the dump:

dave@Moonquake:~/projects/hamradio/NorthwestDigitalRadio/ftx-prog$ ./ftx_prog --dump

ftx_prog: version 0.3
Modified for the FT-X series by Richard Meadows

Based upon:
ft232r_prog: version 1.23, by Mark Lord.
Battery Charge Detect (BCD) Enabled = False
Force Power Enable Signal on CBUS = False
Deactivate Sleep in Battery Charge Mode = False
External Oscillator Enabled = False
External Oscillator Feedback Resistor Enabled = False
CBUS pin allocated to VBUS Sense Mode = False
Load Virtual COM Port (VCP) Drivers = True
Vendor ID (VID) = 0x0403
Product ID (PID) = 0x6015
USB Version = USB16.0
Remote Wakeup by something other than USB = False
Self Powered = False
Maximum Current Supported from USB = 200mA
Pins Pulled Down on USB Suspend = False
Indicate USB Serial Number Available = True
 FT1248
-------
FT1248 Clock Polarity = Active Low
FT1248 Bit Order = MSB to LSB
FT1248 Flow Control Enabled = False
 RS232
-------
Invert TXD = False
Invert RXD = False
Invert RTS = False
Invert CTS = False
Invert DTR = False
Invert DSR = False
Invert DCD = False
Invert RI = False
 RS485
-------
RS485 Echo Suppression Enabled = False
DBUS Drive Strength = 4mA
DBUS Slow Slew Mode = 0
DBUS Schmitt Trigger = 0
CBUS Drive Strength = 4mA
CBUS Slow Slew Mode = 0
CBUS Schmitt Trigger = 0
Manufacturer = NW Digital Radio 03/20
Product = ThumbDV
Serial Number = D307T39M
  I2C
-------
I2C Slave Address = 0
I2C Device ID = 0
I2C Schmitt Triggers Disabled = False
  CBUS
-------
CBUS0 = TXDEN
CBUS1 = RxLED
CBUS2 = TxLED
CBUS3 = SLEEP
CBUS4 = Tristate
CBUS5 = Tristate
CBUS6 = Tristate
No change from existing eeprom contents.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
OK, in that case follow the instructions for fix_prog and run sudo ./ftx_prog —dump

On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

So there's nothing I can do to program it here? I am a software developer and used to build Palm Treo smartphones 10 years ago...

Willing to sign a NDA...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:05 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
Send it back anyways. The port detect depends on the EEPROM being programmed correctly.

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
>
> It means the ThumbDV is good. Did both Green/Red LEDs flash?





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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

OK, in that case follow the instructions for fix_prog and run sudo ./ftx_prog —dump

On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

So there's nothing I can do to program it here? I am a software developer and used to build Palm Treo smartphones 10 years ago...

Willing to sign a NDA...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:05 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
Send it back anyways. The port detect depends on the EEPROM being programmed correctly.

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
>
> It means the ThumbDV is good. Did both Green/Red LEDs flash?





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  W3DJS


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

So there's nothing I can do to program it here? I am a software developer and used to build Palm Treo smartphones 10 years ago...

Willing to sign a NDA...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:05 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
Send it back anyways. The port detect depends on the EEPROM being programmed correctly.

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
>
> It means the ThumbDV is good. Did both Green/Red LEDs flash?





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- Dave
  W3DJS


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

Send it back anyways. The port detect depends on the EEPROM being programmed correctly.

On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@gmail.com> wrote:

It means the ThumbDV is good. Did both Green/Red LEDs flash?


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

It means the ThumbDV is good. Did both Green/Red LEDs flash?


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

The autodetect isn't working, but I found a port specification in your script, so here are those results:

dave@Moonquake:~/projects/hamradio/ThumbDVTest$ sudo python bhh.py --port /dev/ttyUSB0
ThumbDV Test Program
Insert ThumbDV to test CTL-C to Quit
Product ID: AMBE3000R
Version: V120.E100.XXXX.C106.G514.R009.B0010411.C0020208
Firing off decode packets...
..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Done

What does this mean?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:58 PM Dave Slotter <slotter@...> wrote:
How long should it take to run the python script?

I ran the script, then inserted the dongle and nothing happened after 1 minute:

dave@Moonquake:~/projects/hamradio/ThumbDVTest$ sudo python bhh.py
ThumbDV Test Program
Insert ThumbDV to test CTL-C to Quit


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
By it, I mean the ThumbDV.

It’s never happened before, but I have to account for the possibility.

All ThumbDVs are 100% Tested with the python script I posted, running on a Pi. It’s a more comprehensive test than the windows test. Please run it if it’s convenient.

Bryan K7UDR



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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

It executes immediately and completes in 2 seconds.

Send it to:

NW Digital Radio
RMA<order #>
150 Cessna Ave
Roche Harbor WA 98250

Thanks,
Bryan K7UDR

On Apr 28, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

How long should it take to run the python script?

I ran the script, then inserted the dongle and nothing happened after 1 minute:

dave@Moonquake:~/projects/hamradio/ThumbDVTest$ sudo python bhh.py
ThumbDV Test Program
Insert ThumbDV to test CTL-C to Quit


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
By it, I mean the ThumbDV.

It’s never happened before, but I have to account for the possibility.

All ThumbDVs are 100% Tested with the python script I posted, running on a Pi. It’s a more comprehensive test than the windows test. Please run it if it’s convenient.

Bryan K7UDR



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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

How long should it take to run the python script?

I ran the script, then inserted the dongle and nothing happened after 1 minute:

dave@Moonquake:~/projects/hamradio/ThumbDVTest$ sudo python bhh.py
ThumbDV Test Program
Insert ThumbDV to test CTL-C to Quit


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
By it, I mean the ThumbDV.

It’s never happened before, but I have to account for the possibility.

All ThumbDVs are 100% Tested with the python script I posted, running on a Pi. It’s a more comprehensive test than the windows test. Please run it if it’s convenient.

Bryan K7UDR



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  W3DJS


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

By it, I mean the ThumbDV.

It’s never happened before, but I have to account for the possibility.

All ThumbDVs are 100% Tested with the python script I posted, running on a Pi. It’s a more comprehensive test than the windows test. Please run it if it’s convenient.

Bryan K7UDR


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

Bryan,

You said, "But based on ThumbTest.exe it may have expired in Transit"..

What do you mean by "it"? What may have expired in Transit?

73,

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
I have FTDI Driver 2.12.28.0 8/16/2017 on my BlueDV/Win10  system as well.

Your ThumbDV is definitely 460k8

I will post our manufacturing test later today that runs a python script on Linux and does a complete TX/RX Test.

But based on ThumbTest.exe it may have expired in Transit

Bryan K7UDR



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Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

Here’s the link to the python/linux test, you don’t need ftx_prog.



On Apr 28, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:

I have FTDI Driver 2.12.28.0 8/16/2017 on my BlueDV/Win10  system as well.

Your ThumbDV is definitely 460k8

I will post our manufacturing test later today that runs a python script on Linux and does a complete TX/RX Test.

But based on ThumbTest.exe it may have expired in Transit

Bryan K7UDR


Re: Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

 

I have FTDI Driver 2.12.28.0 8/16/2017 on my BlueDV/Win10 system as well.

Your ThumbDV is definitely 460k8

I will post our manufacturing test later today that runs a python script on Linux and does a complete TX/RX Test.

But based on ThumbTest.exe it may have expired in Transit

Bryan K7UDR


Just received ThumbDV and need ThumbTest doesn't see it #thumbdv

Dave Slotter, W3DJS
 

Hi,

I'm a brand new user of the ThumbDV, but not new to Dongles in general. While I can get my DV3K dongle to work with BlueDV, I cannot say the same about my ThumbDV which just came in the mail today.

Seeing as I could not get BlueDV to work, I decided to try something more basic and quit BlueDV and then ran ThumbTest.exe from the console. Note that I am running this under Administrator access which should be able to see the serial ports, no matter what. Using COM9 and baud rates of 460800 and even 230400 (in case this was an older model), it was not returning back valid information on the console.

Here is a screen capture of running ThumbTest.exe



According to Windows Device Manager, I am running FTDI Driver on COM9 with a Driver Date of 8/16/2017 and Driver Version of 2.12.28.0.

What am I missing here to make this work under Windows 10?

Also, I can try testing on a Linux environment on another computer. Are there testing instructions for Linux?

Please advise, and thanks.

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Re: How To install AMBESERVER on Raspbian or Debian.

 

AMBEserver is pretty distribution agnostic.  Just give it a try.  Build from source.  Debian 9 and Raspbian Buster are pretty much the same.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:57 AM Nomis Bayan Jr. <nolyn78@...> wrote:
HI John,
Can I run this on a debian 9.X on a desktop?



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Re: How To install AMBESERVER on Raspbian or Debian.

Nomis Bayan Jr.
 

HI John,
Can I run this on a debian 9.X on a desktop?

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