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Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

 

This forum is about the ThimbDV™ and PiDV AMBE  devices. 

BlueDV allows you to use these devices with your computer.

There are other groups for hotspots. Including the UDRC and DRAWS™ when paired with a radio. 


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Wa4kfz
 

On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL) <jblake8061@...> wrote:


Michael, 
Maybe my little DV Dongle that called itself Blue DV is not what you are using now. I know when I purchased this little DV Dongle, I was told by several folks that it was old technology and that was early last year. I purchased the little dongle so I could just plug it into my laptop, put on headset and not worry about having a radio. I have been on D-Star for the last 4 year and own the Icom 7100, 5100, 51A special edition and recently the Kenwood D74. I also use C4FM Fusion, and DMR. I stared out using a DV dongle the red one with my 7100 and laptop to get on DStar. After I purchased the Nano Spot which does all three of the most common modes I use it almost 100% of the time. I do have some local repeaters for DMR access, which I use when I want to chat local. So maybe my little Blue DV Dongle is not same was what you folks are talking about. Yes I know Echolink is FM, but it's easy to use. I also have a ILRP node. I was looking at a 220 AllStar node at Frost Fest last Saturday and am considering setting one of those up when money permits. I am always open to new ways to use ham radio. One thing using a phone is not as much fun as using a radio. although in reality a smart cell phone is just a Handie Talkie on 900 mhz talking though a repeater (tower). So basically when you are on a cell phone you are using a two way radio.
73 
Jack L. Blake



On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 8:45 PM Chui K9CHU <chui.muro@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 03:16 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
There is a use case for remote access to a local repeater. 

Local group has a regular net, but does not connect to a reflector.  A  member of that group is remote (vacation, business, ...) and wants to join the network.  BlueDV connected remotely to a 'local' repeater solves that problem.
 
I do prefer RF to a repeater, but there are legitimate use cases such as above.
This is exactly the case for me.
We practiced our ARES/RACES net, weekly, on Wednesdays.
This was previously done through a local repeater.
We lost access to that repeater, and have gone to simplex VHF.
We've tried to relay the information, and also have information distributed via Winlink.
This had caused our nets to drop to about a 20% retention rate.
We have installed a D-Star repeater, and a GIG-E internet drop, but as the radios are an investment...most of us do not participate in the nets anymore.

I'm not trying to use the BlueDV as a replacement, but it would be great to continue participating until "the old fashioned way" can come through fruition; for those us us with limited budgets.

73,
-Chui


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL)
 

Michael, 
Maybe my little DV Dongle that called itself Blue DV is not what you are using now. I know when I purchased this little DV Dongle, I was told by several folks that it was old technology and that was early last year. I purchased the little dongle so I could just plug it into my laptop, put on headset and not worry about having a radio. I have been on D-Star for the last 4 year and own the Icom 7100, 5100, 51A special edition and recently the Kenwood D74. I also use C4FM Fusion, and DMR. I stared out using a DV dongle the red one with my 7100 and laptop to get on DStar. After I purchased the Nano Spot which does all three of the most common modes I use it almost 100% of the time. I do have some local repeaters for DMR access, which I use when I want to chat local. So maybe my little Blue DV Dongle is not same was what you folks are talking about. Yes I know Echolink is FM, but it's easy to use. I also have a ILRP node. I was looking at a 220 AllStar node at Frost Fest last Saturday and am considering setting one of those up when money permits. I am always open to new ways to use ham radio. One thing using a phone is not as much fun as using a radio. although in reality a smart cell phone is just a Handie Talkie on 900 mhz talking though a repeater (tower). So basically when you are on a cell phone you are using a two way radio.
73 
Jack L. Blake



On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 8:45 PM Chui K9CHU <chui.muro@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 03:16 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
There is a use case for remote access to a local repeater. 

Local group has a regular net, but does not connect to a reflector.  A  member of that group is remote (vacation, business, ...) and wants to join the network.  BlueDV connected remotely to a 'local' repeater solves that problem.
 
I do prefer RF to a repeater, but there are legitimate use cases such as above.
This is exactly the case for me.
We practiced our ARES/RACES net, weekly, on Wednesdays.
This was previously done through a local repeater.
We lost access to that repeater, and have gone to simplex VHF.
We've tried to relay the information, and also have information distributed via Winlink.
This had caused our nets to drop to about a 20% retention rate.
We have installed a D-Star repeater, and a GIG-E internet drop, but as the radios are an investment...most of us do not participate in the nets anymore.

I'm not trying to use the BlueDV as a replacement, but it would be great to continue participating until "the old fashioned way" can come through fruition; for those us us with limited budgets.

73,
-Chui


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Chui K9CHU
 
Edited

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 03:16 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
There is a use case for remote access to a local repeater. 

Local group has a regular net, but does not connect to a reflector.  A  member of that group is remote (vacation, business, ...) and wants to join the network.  BlueDV connected remotely to a 'local' repeater solves that problem.
 
I do prefer RF to a repeater, but there are legitimate use cases such as above.
This is exactly the case for me.
We practiced our ARES/RACES net, weekly, on Wednesdays.
This was previously done through a local repeater.
We lost access to that repeater, and have gone to simplex VHF.
We've tried to relay the information, and also have information distributed via Winlink.
This had caused our nets to drop to about a 20% retention rate.
We have installed a D-Star repeater, and a GIG-E internet drop, but as the radios are an investment...most of us do not participate in the nets anymore.

I'm not trying to use the BlueDV as a replacement, but it would be great to continue participating until "the old fashioned way" can come through fruition; for those us us with limited budgets.

73,
-Chui


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Andrew O'Brien
 

One of my major disappointments in Dstar is the focus on reflectors and the lack of support by some sysops and software developers for the repeater linking and call routing capabilities of Dstar .



Andy K3UK. 


On Feb 13, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Michael Mandell <mikemandell@...> wrote:

Jack,
Blue DV is relatively new software. How much have you used Echolink? Yes, it links FM repeaters over the internet kind of OK. Allstar is a MUCH superior method of doing this if FM linking is what you want to do. Still, FM linking is not what we're doing here. It's like saying why use a ham radio when you can use a phone. Two different technologies. 


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Michael Mandell
 

Jack,
Blue DV is relatively new software. How much have you used Echolink? Yes, it links FM repeaters over the internet kind of OK. Allstar is a MUCH superior method of doing this if FM linking is what you want to do. Still, FM linking is not what we're doing here. It's like saying why use a ham radio when you can use a phone. Two different technologies. 


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

 

If the repeater isn't D-STAR and isn't connected to the network, it's kind of a moot point.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL) <jblake8061@...> wrote:
John
Your point well taken. Unfortunately not all  repeaters have internet access. The Blue DV is old tech. I do have one myself but having used it much since I got my Nano Spot. I might suggest that local repeater owners look into just adding Echolink to their repeater. This would make it easier for anyone who wants to check into a local net a lot easier. No additional hardware to purchase. Echolink or a IRLP node are good choices. Echolink can be used from your smart phone, laptop or a tablet.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:16 PM John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
There is a use case for remote access to a local repeater. 

Local group has a regular net, but does not connect to a reflector.  A  member of that group is remote (vacation, business, ...) and wants to join the network.  BlueDV connected remotely to a 'local' repeater solves that problem.

I do prefer RF to a repeater, but there are legitimate use cases such as above.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:11 PM Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL) <jblake8061@...> wrote:
With the Blue-DV you should just access the reflectors. If you want to access a local repeater I would suggest you do it the old fashioned way with a radio and using RF.
73's/AI4LL

Jack L. Blake




--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Michael Mandell
 

Ha! Like me, right now! I am going to "remote in" to our W30I repeater, but asked if someone local could link it to a reflector we have the near-exclusive use of so if there is somebody else out there like me, they can also link. 
I don't believe bandwidth is an issue when linking one user to a repeater. This is exactly the same bandwidth callsign routing would use, which is a base function of D-Star. 
I intitially was just going to link to the repeater but remembered we have another member in Florida who may want to get on. I'm not sure D-Star will allow multiple people to remotely link...I think it says "already linked" when you try. 
KC3BLF


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL)
 

John
Your point well taken. Unfortunately not all  repeaters have internet access. The Blue DV is old tech. I do have one myself but having used it much since I got my Nano Spot. I might suggest that local repeater owners look into just adding Echolink to their repeater. This would make it easier for anyone who wants to check into a local net a lot easier. No additional hardware to purchase. Echolink or a IRLP node are good choices. Echolink can be used from your smart phone, laptop or a tablet.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:16 PM John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
There is a use case for remote access to a local repeater. 

Local group has a regular net, but does not connect to a reflector.  A  member of that group is remote (vacation, business, ...) and wants to join the network.  BlueDV connected remotely to a 'local' repeater solves that problem.

I do prefer RF to a repeater, but there are legitimate use cases such as above.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:11 PM Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL) <jblake8061@...> wrote:
With the Blue-DV you should just access the reflectors. If you want to access a local repeater I would suggest you do it the old fashioned way with a radio and using RF.
73's/AI4LL

Jack L. Blake




--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

 

There is a use case for remote access to a local repeater. 

Local group has a regular net, but does not connect to a reflector.  A  member of that group is remote (vacation, business, ...) and wants to join the network.  BlueDV connected remotely to a 'local' repeater solves that problem.

I do prefer RF to a repeater, but there are legitimate use cases such as above.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:11 PM Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL) <jblake8061@...> wrote:
With the Blue-DV you should just access the reflectors. If you want to access a local repeater I would suggest you do it the old fashioned way with a radio and using RF.
73's/AI4LL

Jack L. Blake




--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL)
 

With the Blue-DV you should just access the reflectors. If you want to access a local repeater I would suggest you do it the old fashioned way with a radio and using RF.
73's/AI4LL

Jack L. Blake



On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:47 PM <chui.muro@...> wrote:
Thanks for the reply Ted!

I understand that would be an issue.

Would be great to have the option to type it in manually (unless I'm missing it somewhere).

73,
-Chui


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Chui K9CHU
 

Thanks for the reply Ted!

I understand that would be an issue.

Would be great to have the option to type it in manually (unless I'm missing it somewhere).

73,
-Chui


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Ted Wrobel W1GRI
 

Hi Chui,

 

Please be aware that many gateways (repeaters) have low internet bandwidth. Most repeater managers discourage connections since they may degrade the repeater connection to the point of failure.

 

73,

Ted W1GRI

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io [mailto:ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io] On Behalf Of chui.muro@...
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:30 PM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

 

Greetings @PA7LIM,

Does BlueDV pull host information from http://ar-dns.net/ ?
Is this where the update information is pulled from?
It would be great to connect directly to the missing http://ar-dns.net/gateways (repeaters) from the drop down.

Thanks and 73,
-Chui K9CHU


Re: Newbie : Access repeaters rather than reflectors using BlueDV ?

Chui K9CHU
 

Greetings @PA7LIM,

Does BlueDV pull host information from http://ar-dns.net/ ?
Is this where the update information is pulled from?
It would be great to connect directly to the missing http://ar-dns.net/gateways (repeaters) from the drop down.

Thanks and 73,
-Chui K9CHU


Re: Ambe3000 dongle

Ludovic Ludo
 

Le 27/01/2020 à 21:17, pikam@... a écrit :

I am still a little confused, There is quite a range of drivers on that website, which one do I need ??


Sometimes, Win do not reconized correctly the driver.
Unplug and plug the dongle on other entry.

Use USB2 entry instead USB3 and reboot the computer.

In my hand i prefer use a raspberry and no more problem with com port.
I put some image on my site for info :
http://radioamateur.forumsactifs.com/f35-dmr-dstar-c4fm
(DVSwitch mobile works fine but i prefer BlueDV, there is two image)

Best regards,
Ludovic  -  F5PBG


Re: Ambe3000 dongle

 

To get a command prompt window, then run thumbtest.exe in that window -- it should not close.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM <pikam@...> wrote:

The thumbtest,exe runs, and reports something but the window closes before I can read it all???

 

 

Peter Moore ZL2HM

 

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of John D Hays - K7VE
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:50 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

Open a command line and execute thumbtest.exe on it. 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 14:02 <pikam@...> wrote:

Hi David, Not sure of the version of AMBE3000 that I have. Have tried both baud rates. Thumb Test.exe screen disappears before I can read the results! Very  strange.

 

 

Peter Moore ZL2HM

 

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of David PA7LIM
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:43 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

Do you have an older version of the ThumbDV or a new one?

Keep in mind that the old versions use baudrate 230400 and the new ones 460800

 

 

Greets and 73,

    David PA7LIM

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of pikam via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

After installing the VCP as recommended Blue DV still does not recognise the AMBE3000 dongle. Com port numbers match and other details are set up as required.  Any other ideas?

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:45 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

I believe for most applications, you will need the VCP (virtual comm port) drivers.

https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

You'll need to pick the appropriate driver set, based on whether you are using a 32bit or 64bit version of Windows.

73,
Kenny, KU7M



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Re: Ambe3000 dongle

pikam@...
 

The thumbtest,exe runs, and reports something but the window closes before I can read it all???

 

 

Peter Moore ZL2HM

 

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of John D Hays - K7VE
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:50 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

Open a command line and execute thumbtest.exe on it. 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 14:02 <pikam@...> wrote:

Hi David, Not sure of the version of AMBE3000 that I have. Have tried both baud rates. Thumb Test.exe screen disappears before I can read the results! Very  strange.

 

 

Peter Moore ZL2HM

 

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of David PA7LIM
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:43 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

Do you have an older version of the ThumbDV or a new one?

Keep in mind that the old versions use baudrate 230400 and the new ones 460800

 

 

Greets and 73,

    David PA7LIM

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of pikam via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

After installing the VCP as recommended Blue DV still does not recognise the AMBE3000 dongle. Com port numbers match and other details are set up as required.  Any other ideas?

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:45 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

I believe for most applications, you will need the VCP (virtual comm port) drivers.

https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

You'll need to pick the appropriate driver set, based on whether you are using a 32bit or 64bit version of Windows.

73,
Kenny, KU7M


Re: Ambe3000 dongle

 

Open a command line and execute thumbtest.exe on it. 


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 14:02 <pikam@...> wrote:

Hi David, Not sure of the version of AMBE3000 that I have. Have tried both baud rates. Thumb Test.exe screen disappears before I can read the results! Very  strange.

 

 

Peter Moore ZL2HM

 

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of David PA7LIM
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:43 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

Do you have an older version of the ThumbDV or a new one?

Keep in mind that the old versions use baudrate 230400 and the new ones 460800

 

 

Greets and 73,

    David PA7LIM

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of pikam via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

After installing the VCP as recommended Blue DV still does not recognise the AMBE3000 dongle. Com port numbers match and other details are set up as required.  Any other ideas?

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:45 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

I believe for most applications, you will need the VCP (virtual comm port) drivers.

https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

You'll need to pick the appropriate driver set, based on whether you are using a 32bit or 64bit version of Windows.

73,
Kenny, KU7M


Re: Ambe3000 dongle

pikam@...
 

Hi David, Not sure of the version of AMBE3000 that I have. Have tried both baud rates. Thumb Test.exe screen disappears before I can read the results! Very  strange.

 

 

Peter Moore ZL2HM

 

 

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of David PA7LIM
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:43 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

Do you have an older version of the ThumbDV or a new one?

Keep in mind that the old versions use baudrate 230400 and the new ones 460800

 

 

Greets and 73,

    David PA7LIM

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of pikam via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

After installing the VCP as recommended Blue DV still does not recognise the AMBE3000 dongle. Com port numbers match and other details are set up as required.  Any other ideas?

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:45 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

I believe for most applications, you will need the VCP (virtual comm port) drivers.

https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

You'll need to pick the appropriate driver set, based on whether you are using a 32bit or 64bit version of Windows.

73,
Kenny, KU7M


Re: Ambe3000 dongle

 

Do you have an older version of the ThumbDV or a new one?

Keep in mind that the old versions use baudrate 230400 and the new ones 460800

 

 

Greets and 73,

    David PA7LIM

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of pikam via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2020 22:37
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

After installing the VCP as recommended Blue DV still does not recognise the AMBE3000 dongle. Com port numbers match and other details are set up as required.  Any other ideas?

 

From: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io <ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:45 AM
To: ambe@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ambe] Ambe3000 dongle

 

I believe for most applications, you will need the VCP (virtual comm port) drivers.

https://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

You'll need to pick the appropriate driver set, based on whether you are using a 32bit or 64bit version of Windows.

73,
Kenny, KU7M

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