Re: Forward error correction - experiment

"g7ork" <del_swt@...>

FEC can provide significant improvements in overall data speeds in a mobile environment - but it is only one factor that needs to be considered. Modulation mode, symbol rate, interleaving etc also need to be taken into account, and the "best" solution for one set of circumstances could turn out to be absolutely useless in others. In the end it will always be a compromise, however I am firmly of the opinion that we can do a lot better than what we have today.

It would be worth your time reading some of the later ETSI standards for 4FSK systems - TS 102 490 for instance. The relatively low symbol rate makes it better in multi-path conditions, but still keeps a half decent data rate by using 2 bits per symbol. In this particular case, some improvement in rx sensitivity is also gained by having a 6.25kHz channel spacing and hence a smaller noise bandwidth. TETRA's 4piDQPSK scheme is even better in some respects, but suffers in a ham market by requiring a linear PA and Rx system. 8FSK with trellis coding could be interesting as well....

Lots to think about.....

--- In UniversalDigitalRadio@..., Marshall Denny <MarshallDenny@...> wrote:

I will have a look at FX.25.

But, with the flexibility that the UDR will give us. Lets keep all good
ideas on the table until we have a good reason to remove it.

The potential of FEC is not will known in the ham community.

For example, compare the potential for operating in noisy conditions
between psk31 and olivia.
Olivia will operate below the noise floor.
I have worked Olivia on 80m with thunderstorms in the region with 50 over
S9 static crashes with 100% copy.

If well done, this could allow very poor signals to get through at low
And, also allow 56k packet under conditions that would not work otherwise.


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:18 AM, zl2wrw <ross@...> wrote:


--- In UniversalDigitalRadio@..., "marshalldennyai4cm"
<MarshallDenny@> wrote:

Testing with variable levels of FEC added to an otherwise standard ax.25

That sounds very much like the FX.25 protocol:

It's even backwards compatable with plain old non-FEC AX.25 equipment.
Though it does not rectify some of the other historical defects of the
AX.25 protocol that are due to the adapting of wireline X.25 to a wireless
physical layer...

Ross Whenmouth

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