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hdk1220@...
 

Thank you

Harvey
Harvey Kolodner
WA3GTL

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:32 PM John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
People can carry their torch all they want -- the point is, NW Digital Radio is not the inventor of D-STAR or AMBE and this is just unwarranted noise here.  I don't want people to unsubscribe from this list, which is a communication vehicle for NW Digital Radio company and their users, for too much noise.

As pointed out, all sorts of proprietary technology is in every modern piece of equipment we use.  Remember, even FM and SSB were patented (proprietary technology).

If people want to continue this debate, please move it to an appropriate list.



On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...> wrote:
Ultimately, somebody has to speak to the unpopular things.  Sure, its
a lot of noise, but at the end of the day, the rules say something to
the effect of "no coded transmissions" and "no pecuniary interest".

I "get" what he's saying/trying to do and I appreciate that somebody
is carrying the torch.

How many of us have an iPad 1 that is just about completely useless
these days?  Imagine if it was an open platform and you could load a
functional OS on it and keep on browsing the internet and playing
videos? (Without being labeled a criminal)

I have enough dead apple gear sitting on shelves that I won't buy
anymore of it, even if I have to pay extra to get something from
somebody else.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Tony <w7efs@...> wrote:
> It appeared to me that someone had an AMBE "chip" on their shoulder, and it
> isn't you, Bob.
>

--


John D. Hays
Director



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People can carry their torch all they want -- the point is, NW Digital Radio is not the inventor of D-STAR or AMBE and this is just unwarranted noise here.  I don't want people to unsubscribe from this list, which is a communication vehicle for NW Digital Radio company and their users, for too much noise.

As pointed out, all sorts of proprietary technology is in every modern piece of equipment we use.  Remember, even FM and SSB were patented (proprietary technology).

If people want to continue this debate, please move it to an appropriate list.



On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...> wrote:
Ultimately, somebody has to speak to the unpopular things.  Sure, its
a lot of noise, but at the end of the day, the rules say something to
the effect of "no coded transmissions" and "no pecuniary interest".

I "get" what he's saying/trying to do and I appreciate that somebody
is carrying the torch.

How many of us have an iPad 1 that is just about completely useless
these days?  Imagine if it was an open platform and you could load a
functional OS on it and keep on browsing the internet and playing
videos? (Without being labeled a criminal)

I have enough dead apple gear sitting on shelves that I won't buy
anymore of it, even if I have to pay extra to get something from
somebody else.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Tony <w7efs@...> wrote:
> It appeared to me that someone had an AMBE "chip" on their shoulder, and it
> isn't you, Bob.
>

--


John D. Hays
Director



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Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...>
 

Ultimately, somebody has to speak to the unpopular things. Sure, its
a lot of noise, but at the end of the day, the rules say something to
the effect of "no coded transmissions" and "no pecuniary interest".

I "get" what he's saying/trying to do and I appreciate that somebody
is carrying the torch.

How many of us have an iPad 1 that is just about completely useless
these days? Imagine if it was an open platform and you could load a
functional OS on it and keep on browsing the internet and playing
videos? (Without being labeled a criminal)

I have enough dead apple gear sitting on shelves that I won't buy
anymore of it, even if I have to pay extra to get something from
somebody else.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Tony <w7efs@arrl.net> wrote:
It appeared to me that someone had an AMBE "chip" on their shoulder, and it
isn't you, Bob.

On 04/30/2018 10:19 AM, w6kd via Groups.Io wrote:

I'm always amused when somebody comes in and, throwing around the nebulus
"spirit of ham radio" as if they were appointed the High Priest of The
Spirit by Hiram Percy Maxim himself, proposes to tell the rest of us how it
is.

This sort of absolutism serves no useful purpose in the real
world...certainly the thousands of us using many kinds of gear with all
sorts of proprietary or patented ICs embedded (DSP chips, GPS modules,
signal processors, etc) aren't particularly worried about what the Grinch of
Ham Radio thinks or says.

Regards

Bob, W6KD



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Tony <w7efs@...>
 

It appeared to me that someone had an AMBE "chip" on their shoulder, and it isn't you, Bob.

On 04/30/2018 10:19 AM, w6kd via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm always amused when somebody comes in and, throwing around the nebulus "spirit of ham radio" as if they were appointed the High Priest of The Spirit by Hiram Percy Maxim himself, proposes to tell the rest of us how it is.

This sort of absolutism serves no useful purpose in the real world...certainly the thousands of us using many kinds of gear with all sorts of proprietary or patented ICs embedded (DSP chips, GPS modules, signal processors, etc) aren't particularly worried about what the Grinch of Ham Radio thinks or says.

Regards

Bob, W6KD


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w6kd@...
 

I'm always amused when somebody comes in and, throwing around the nebulus "spirit of ham radio" as if they were appointed the High Priest of The Spirit by Hiram Percy Maxim himself, proposes to tell the rest of us how it is.

This sort of absolutism serves no useful purpose in the real world...certainly the thousands of us using many kinds of gear with all sorts of proprietary or patented ICs embedded (DSP chips, GPS modules, signal processors, etc) aren't particularly worried about what the Grinch of Ham Radio thinks or says.

Regards

Bob, W6KD


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Brad NK8J <bradnk8j@...>
 

On 4/29/2018 8:59 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io wrote:
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On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@hays.org> wrote:
Ken, I
don't know what you are talking about.
You are still in denial.

The physical
layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR
that is GMSK.
GMSK is a *family* of possible PHY layer implementations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum-shift_keying#Gaussian_minimum-shift_keying
What is T? Where is it specified?

It isn't specified anyplace.

NOT fully published.
Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.
Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH


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There are open source implementations of the gateway. Ircddbgateway and qnetgateway, for example. 

Over 10 years ago a D-STAR radio was built and demoed based on available information. 

Anyway, this is probably a discussion for a D-STAR forum, father than a general discussion group for NW Digital Radio. 

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018, 17:59 Matthew Pitts via Groups.Io <daywalker_blade_2004=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I suspect he's thinking of the Gateway side of things, which is isn't documented.


Matthew Pitts

N8OHU


On 4/29/2018 8:42 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
Ken, I don't know what you are talking about.  The physical layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR that is GMSK.  


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

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On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
> The protocols are
> published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
> published and has been for years.
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf

Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS  When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open.  You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents.  No such documents exist for D-STAR.  Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   



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Kenneth Hendrickson
 

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On Sun, 4/29/18, Matthew Pitts via Groups.Io <daywalker_blade_2004=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I suspect he's thinking of the Gateway side of
things, which is
isn't documented.
As long as there is *even one thing* not published, not documented, it isn't free (as in freedom), and it isn't open.

73,
Ken N8KH


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I suspect he's thinking of the Gateway side of things, which is isn't documented.


Matthew Pitts

N8OHU


On 4/29/2018 8:42 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
Ken, I don't know what you are talking about.  The physical layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR that is GMSK.  


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
> The protocols are
> published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
> published and has been for years.
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf

Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS  When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open.  You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents.  No such documents exist for D-STAR.  Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   



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Kenneth Hendrickson
 

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@hays.org> wrote:
Ken, I
don't know what you are talking about.
You are still in denial.

The physical
layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR
that is GMSK.
GMSK is a *family* of possible PHY layer implementations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum-shift_keying#Gaussian_minimum-shift_keying
What is T? Where is it specified?

It isn't specified anyplace.

NOT fully published.
Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.
Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH


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Ken, I don't know what you are talking about.  The physical layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR that is GMSK.  


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
> The protocols are
> published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
> published and has been for years.
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf

Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS  When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open.  You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents.  No such documents exist for D-STAR.  Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


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Kenneth Hendrickson
 

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@hays.org> wrote:
The protocols are
published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
published and has been for years.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf
Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open. NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open. You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents. No such documents exist for D-STAR. Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.


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The protocols are published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is published and has been for years.


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

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On Sat, 4/28/18, Woodrick, Ed <ewoodrick@...> wrote:
> D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018

Has anybody fully published *EVERYTHING* about the D-STAR protocols, including the physical layer?

To my knowledge, it has still not yet been published.

So it is still NOT open.  It is still NOT free.  It is still CLOSED AND PROPRIETARY.

That's not in the spirit of ham radio.

73,
Ken N8KH







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018

Kenneth Hendrickson
 

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On Sat, 4/28/18, Woodrick, Ed <ewoodrick@ed-com.com> wrote:
D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018
Has anybody fully published *EVERYTHING* about the D-STAR protocols, including the physical layer?

To my knowledge, it has still not yet been published.

So it is still NOT open. It is still NOT free. It is still CLOSED AND PROPRIETARY.

That's not in the spirit of ham radio.

73,
Ken N8KH


D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018

Woodrick, Ed
 

 

D-STAR At Dayton Hamvention® 2018

For more information: http://DSTARInfo.com/D-STAR-InfoCon--Dayton-Hamvention-2018.aspx

PRESENTED BY DSTARINFO.COM AND GEORGIA D-STAR
D-STAR InfoCon 2018
D-STAR's premier training event returns to Dayton Hamvention®

For those just getting started in D-STAR and those looking to add to their D-STAR experience, this class is where you want to be. The class will be given by the experienced instructors from the Georgia D-STAR group and Icom who have presented seminars and training across the country. The three-hour class begins at 8:00am on Friday, May 18, on the first day of the Dayton Hamvention 2018 and will be held at the Drury Inn in the heart of the Hamvention hotels at 6616 Miller Lane. The cost of the class is only $25.00.

The class will feature will cover topics of interest to beginning D-STAR users including:

  • D-STAR basics
  • The D-STAR user registration process explained
  • Getting started with your D-STAR radio
  • Linking to repeaters and reflectors
  • Helpful hints and tips to get the most from D-STAR
  • D-STAR Data (DRATS)

To register, head over to http://DSTARInfo.com/D-STAR-InfoCon--Dayton-Hamvention-2018.aspx

D-STAR Activities at Dayton

Thursday, May 17, 6:30-9 PM - Pre-Hamvention Meet, Greet, and Eyeball QSO

Marion’s Piazza
1320 N Fairfield Rd
Beavercreek OH 45432

Friday, May 18, 8:00-11:00 PM – D-STAR InfoCon 2018

D-STAR InfoCon
Drury Inn Ballroom
6616 Miller Lane
Dayton OH

Friday, May 18, 11:45-1:00 PM - D-STAR Forum

Forum Room 2
Dayton Hamvention

Friday, May 18, 6:30-8:30 PM – D-STAR Friday Evening Gathering

Drury Inn Ballroom
6616 Miller Lane
Dayton OH

Dayton D-STAR Repeaters

 

Call Sign

Frequency

Reflector

Location

W8RTL C

147.105+

REF030C

Dayton

W8RTL B

443.050+

XRF038C

Dayton

W8HEQ C

145.270-

Dayton

W8HEQ B

444.0875+

XRF038C

Dayton

KE8AQQB

443.150+

Lebanon

W8GO C

145.160-

Wilmington

W8GO B

442.150+

Wilmington

W8RNL C

145.150-

Hamilton

W8RNL B

442.625+

Hamilton

K8BIG C

145.350-

Cincinnati

 

Dayton D-STAR Simplex

DARA suggests using 446.1000 Digital Code Squelch CSQL use #13 as a D-STAR simplex frequency at Hamvention®. Don’t forget to update your repeater list before you start your journey!

D-STAR Affiliated Vendors at Dayton Hamvention®

 

Vendor

Booths

Icom

2508-2509, 2608-2610, 2708-2709, 6001

Kenwood

1407-1411, 1507-1511

NW Digital Radio

1105

RT Systems

3805-3806

Bridgecom Systems, Inc

1103-1104

Wireless Holdings

6211

 

If there are any corrections or additions, please drop us a note at info@...

 


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KB3OIL@...
 

Thanks John, I will do that.


Re: DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

Dave Austin
 

Are you using latest version of bluedv sometimes servers can play up most dcs seem to be active hope you get it sorted im out at the mo but if u get stuck il go through the settings if if u get stuck good luck...


On Sat, 14 Apr 2018, 06:25 , <k4jkb@...> wrote:
I am new to using a thumb dv with BlueDV software.  I have the thumb dv connecting and working with DCS and XRF reflectors only.  Have confirmed QSO's.  I can only hear on REF reflectors.  when I appear to be transmitting I am not.  I have updated all of the host files.  I am at a loss.  I am using Windows 10 64 bit.   Any thoughts on why I can not transmit to any of the REF reflectors?

thanks
Joe - K4JKB


Re: DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

k4jkb@...
 

Thank you John.  I am all new to DSTAR.  I registered and will wait for approval.

Joe


Re: DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

 

It doesn't look like you are registered on US Trust (http://query.ke5bms.com/index.php)  -- you must be registered for REF reflectors.  


ThumbDV questions should go to https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/ambe

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:43 PM, <k4jkb@...> wrote:
I am new to using a thumb dv with BlueDV software.  I have the thumb dv connecting and working with DCS and XRF reflectors only.  Have confirmed QSO's.  I can only hear on REF reflectors.  when I appear to be transmitting I am not.  I have updated all of the host files.  I am at a loss.  I am using Windows 10 64 bit.   Any thoughts on why I can not transmit to any of the REF reflectors?

thanks
Joe - K4JKB




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John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   

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