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Re: Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

Scott Currie
 

plinBPQ is not a platform you can run WE on. It can serve as a CMS gateway, or even a connection to a TNC/soundcard for WE to use, but you would still need to install WE "elsewhere". Getting WE to install and run on the Pi architecture is indeed difficult if not impossible. Certainly not something I would suggest.

-Scott, NS7C 

Re: [udrc] [nw-digital-radio] Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

Scott Currie
 

None of these options support the forms function of Winlink Express. I realize there are other ways to achieve this, but that train has left. The vast majority of Winlink users are using WE and its forms function. You will not be fully compatible. 

You can get WE running on Linux:
https://winlink.org/content/installing_express_linux

-Scott, NS7C

Re: [udrc] [nw-digital-radio] Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

Basil Gunn
 

I've been looking for an alternative platform to run Winlink Express
as a client on.
For most linux platforms:

paclink-unix
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/paclink-unix

pat
http://getpat.io/

pigate
http://www.pigate.net/

linbpq

You have choices.

Full disclosure, I'm one of the maintainers of paclink-unix. If you are
using an UDRC it sets up with a couple of scripts.

/Basil n7nix

Re: [udrc] Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

Basil Gunn
 

It appears that LinuxRMS may stop working in the near future when Winlink
CMS stops supporting legacy mode.
Linux RMS Gateway will be supported and will continue to work.
/Basil n7nix

Has anyone made LinBPQ work with Direwolf?
I’d like to do that on. RPi w/UDRC.
(For clarity, as a Winlink RMS Gateway, not a client)

Thanks,
Randy W3RWN

Re: Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

sancudo
 

[Moderator - this should be in the UDRC subgroup.]
 
John
I've been looking for an alternative platform to run Winlink Express as a client on. I've had problems running the winlink program on the raspberry pi 3+ using Wine or EXAGEAR per instructions on the web. Now it looks like I can use LinBPQ on the pi with Direwolf to set up a setup similar to Winlink Express from what I'm reading here, is that correct?
Mario
WO5O

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 4:02 AM <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
Randy,

Yes, you can run LinBPQ as a Winlink Gateway on a RPi with Direwolf.

There are instructions for setting up an RMS Gateway on a Pi here:

http://www.cantab.net/users/john.wiseman/Downloads/LinBPQ_RMSGateway.html

The simplest way to link DIrewolf to LinBPQ is to use the KISS over TCP interface. For fore information contact me direct or join the BPQ32 Yahoo Group.

73,
John G8BPQ

Re: Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

john.wiseman@...
 

Randy,

Yes, you can run LinBPQ as a Winlink Gateway on a RPi with Direwolf.

There are instructions for setting up an RMS Gateway on a Pi here:

http://www.cantab.net/users/john.wiseman/Downloads/LinBPQ_RMSGateway.html

The simplest way to link DIrewolf to LinBPQ is to use the KISS over TCP interface. For fore information contact me direct or join the BPQ32 Yahoo Group.

73,
John G8BPQ


On 03/10/2018 23:10, Randy Neals wrote:

It appears that LinuxRMS may stop working in the near future when Winlink CMS stops supporting legacy mode.

Has anyone made LinBPQ work with Direwolf?
I’d like to do that on. RPi w/UDRC.
(For clarity, as a Winlink RMS Gateway, not a client)

Thanks,
Randy W3RWN


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From: lor.kutchins@... [LinuxRMS] <LinuxRMS@...>
Date: Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM
Subject: [LinuxRMS] Last attempt to reach a maintainer (From the WDT)
To: <LinuxRMS@...>


 

All,


Both Lee Inman and I have been trying at various times since June 2017 to reach either Brian, W3SG or Hans, the creator and maintainer of Linus RMS Gateway. The Winlink system changed it's web services last year and info was provided to them so they could update Linux RMS Gateway to be compatible with the new CMS web services. We have been maintaining both the old and new CMS web services as all our partner authors made their updates. The time to shut the legacy support down is approaching after a year or more. All other authors have managed to make the needed changes.


So, with numerous private emails going unanswered, this our last attempt to urge Brian, Hans, or whoever is now maintaining this software to engage and update version 2.4.0.0 to use the current Winlink standard CMS connections and web services.


If someone new is now managing this package, please contact us through the Winlink web site. We can provide all the technical information needed.


If this is not resolved and you operate a gateway using Linux RMS Gateway, please do your best to inform the authors of the urgency of this request, and if you also get no response, we strongly suggest you consider a move to a different software package. LinBPQ is well maintained, as are the WDT's Windows-based offerings.


Please pass this message along to anyone you think might be affected. Thanks!


73,

Lor Kutchins, W3QA

President,

Amateur Radio Safety Foundation, Inc.

Winlink Global Radio Email ®️

Winlink Development Team


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Re: Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

Scott Currie
 

So, theoretically yes. I don't currently have a UDRC available, but I have run my plinBPQ node and pointed it to a Direwolf instance running on a different Linux machine on the local LAN. Running on the local host should work the same way. You can use either the AGW port or the KISS port on BPQ, here is the port config I used:

PORT
ID=DIREWOLF KISS
TYPE=ASYNC
PROTOCOL=KISS
IPADDR=192.168.1.88  <-change this to 127.0.0.1 for local host
TCPPORT=8100
CHANNEL=A
QUALITY=0
MAXFRAME=7
FULLDUP=0
FRACK=7000
RESPTIME=1000
RETRIES=10
PACLEN=255
TXDELAY=150
SLOTTIME=50
PERSIST=64
KISSOPTIONS=ACKMODE
ENDPORT

I was testing 4800b connections, so running PACLEN-255, YMMV.

So, the process would be something like:
Install the Compass load with UDRC support.
Install Direwolf and configure it to work with UDRC (well documented on NWDR)
Install plinBPQ and configure a KISS port pointing to localhost.

Then convince your users to run faster than 1200!

-Scott, NS7C

Linux RMS - headed for digital dustbin?

Randy Neals
 


It appears that LinuxRMS may stop working in the near future when Winlink CMS stops supporting legacy mode.

Has anyone made LinBPQ work with Direwolf?
I’d like to do that on. RPi w/UDRC.
(For clarity, as a Winlink RMS Gateway, not a client)

Thanks,
Randy W3RWN


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From: lor.kutchins@... [LinuxRMS] <LinuxRMS@...>
Date: Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM
Subject: [LinuxRMS] Last attempt to reach a maintainer (From the WDT)
To: <LinuxRMS@...>


 

All,


Both Lee Inman and I have been trying at various times since June 2017 to reach either Brian, W3SG or Hans, the creator and maintainer of Linus RMS Gateway. The Winlink system changed it's web services last year and info was provided to them so they could update Linux RMS Gateway to be compatible with the new CMS web services. We have been maintaining both the old and new CMS web services as all our partner authors made their updates. The time to shut the legacy support down is approaching after a year or more. All other authors have managed to make the needed changes.


So, with numerous private emails going unanswered, this our last attempt to urge Brian, Hans, or whoever is now maintaining this software to engage and update version 2.4.0.0 to use the current Winlink standard CMS connections and web services.


If someone new is now managing this package, please contact us through the Winlink web site. We can provide all the technical information needed.


If this is not resolved and you operate a gateway using Linux RMS Gateway, please do your best to inform the authors of the urgency of this request, and if you also get no response, we strongly suggest you consider a move to a different software package. LinBPQ is well maintained, as are the WDT's Windows-based offerings.


Please pass this message along to anyone you think might be affected. Thanks!


73,

Lor Kutchins, W3QA

President,

Amateur Radio Safety Foundation, Inc.

Winlink Global Radio Email ®️

Winlink Development Team


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Re: DRAWS

 

This block Diagram might help. DRAWS is based on the UDRC-II which has been shipping for 2 years.

Re: DRAWS

 

Nothing is being 'hidden', this is a new product. What exists is available. 


On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:56 WW3N <squeeze.box@...> wrote:
Gwen,
Did you ever get a functional description document, youtube, powerpoint, smoke signals  on Draws from anyone?   Oct QST or the schematic posted to groups.io  doesn’t do it for me.. Maybe there is a West Coast secret club keeping the East Coast folks in the dark.. Sorry in advance for being so thick….

Dan ww3n

Re: DRAWS

WW3N <squeeze.box@...>
 

Gwen,
Did you ever get a functional description document, youtube, powerpoint, smoke signals  on Draws from anyone?   Oct QST or the schematic posted to groups.io  doesn’t do it for me.. Maybe there is a West Coast secret club keeping the East Coast folks in the dark.. Sorry in advance for being so thick….

Dan ww3n

Re: DRAWS

 

NW Digital Radio has both a 1 year warranty and a 30 day money-back guarantee on all of it’s products.

Bryan K7UDR

Re: DRAWS

 

Frankly, that is one person's experience/opinion.  As I stated earlier, my experience with WSJT-X on the Raspberry Pi, with the CODEC used in the DRAWS, is that FT-8 runs fine.   This also seems to be the experience of those in this thread. https://groups.io/g/ft8call/topic/26219896#533

Two points --


"What technical support is provided for DRAWS?

NW Digital Radio supports the DRAWS HAT hardware and its driver software.  All other applications are provided on an ‘as is’ basis, with support for configuration and operation of those applications provided by the authors and user community for those applications.  NW Digital Radio’s DRAWS HAT driver and configuration is Open Source Software and is free for amateur radio use."

  • Secondly, NW Digital Radio has a generous Warranty 


On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:21 AM <kc7pmu@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

In light of the article in QST, Oct 2018, "The WSJT-X Appliance" ( page 44) that states the Raspberry Pi does not have sufficient performance to run the FT8 and FT8Call protocols, have you test results on prototypes that would contradict this article?



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Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   

Re: DRAWS Technical Documents

Michael Barnes <barnes9443@...>
 

If you are receiving this email, then you already have a login on the groups.io website. You had to sign up to join this forum. So, what's the issue? It's the same place the various other files related to NWDR are posted.

Michael WA7SKG


Steve Stroh wrote on 09/25/2018 04:43 PM:

Must this be on a site that requires a login? Why not just post in on the main NWDR site as part of the priduct info?
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 16:39 John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays <mailto:@john_hays>> wrote:
https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/files/DRAWSTech.pdf
Schematic and pinout documentation.
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Re: DRAWS Technical Documents

Steve Stroh
 

Must this be on a site that requires a login? Why not just post in on the main NWDR site as part of the priduct info?

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 16:39 John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:

https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/files/DRAWSTech.pdf

 

Schematic and pinout documentation.

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DRAWS Technical Documents

 

Re: DRAWS

 

I haven't read the QST article yet -- however, I have successfully run WSJT-X using the CODEC on the DRAWS board on Raspberry Pi 3


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:26 AM <kc7pmu@...> wrote:
In light of the article in QST, Oct 2918, "The WSJT-X Appliance" ( page 44) that states the Raspberry Pi does not have sufficient performance to run the FT8 and FT8Call protocols, have you test results on prototypes that would contradict this article?



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Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   

Re: DRAWS

kc7pmu
 
Edited

In light of the article in QST, Oct 2018, "The WSJT-X Appliance" ( page 44) that states the Raspberry Pi does not have sufficient performance to run the FT8 and FT8Call protocols, have you test results on prototypes that would contradict this article?

Re: [DVSwitch] Early Adopters Pre-Sale for the Digital Radio Amateur Workstation - DRAWS

 

Jason, thanks for recording the conference.  I am looking forward to watching the talks.


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:58 AM Jason Johnston <kc5hwb@...> wrote:
I saw and recorded the excellent DRAWS presentation at this year's TAPR DCC.  Look for it to post soon here:  https://www.youtube.com/c/hamradio20

About to order one of these boards also, thanks for copying me.


photo
Jason Johnston
KC5HWB, Ham Radio 2.0

817-601-7228 | jason@...

www.HamRadio2.com

  

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:36 PM John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
Will,

It uses some of the GPIO busses and pins. These are not compatible across SBCs. A lot of the capability is due to the use of this functionality and would be limited by making it a USB device. 

Raspberry Pi has sufficient computing for the applications we are designing for and there are millions of them deployed. They are inexpensive and have active development and community.

Our development and support costs go up with more platforms.

We are going to offer the DRAWS as a complete and integrated unit to drop into a station, at which point the SBC is just a part of the solution. We prefer to focus our efforts on this 


On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 19:11 Will - W4WWM <w4wwm@...> wrote:

John,


Nice product, why not make the little unit compatible with other SBCs other than Rasberry Pi?  Maybe an added usb port to interface would make the unit interface with many SBCs and making sales go up even more?


Will / W4WWM


On 9/21/2018 3:52 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
DRAWS - Raspberry Pi HAT

image.png

[The boards will be run in the next couple of weeks, this is an opportunity to order early and save $20 on the board, and $5 on the GPS LNA Antenna]

HW Features: 
• Raspberry Pi 3 Compliant HAT 
• Power HAT and Pi from 6-15VDC 
• Onboard Voltage Monitor 
• 2 Radio Interfaces 
• Mini DIN-6 Connectors 
• Cables Included 
• On Board GPS 
• Optional External Antenna w/LNA 
• PPS for Stratum 1 Time Source 
• Battery Backed Real Time Clock 
• Accessory Port 
• PWR, IO, Serial Port, Analog In 

Operating Modes: 
• Headless, operate from your Computer 
• Network Attach or VNC 
• Workstation, operate locally by adding 
• HDMI Monitor 
• USB Keyboard & Mouse 

Open Source Software: 
DRAWS™ self identifies to the OS for configuration. An image will be available on release with popular applications pre-installed, including: 
• Packet 
• DIREWOLF 1200/9600 
• APRS, WinLink, ARDOP 
• Soundcard Digital 
• FLDIGI, WSJT-X 
• Digital Voice Repeater/Hotspot


Order at  http://nwdigitalradio.com/product/draws-digital-radio-amateur-workstation/

For those who were not in attendance at DCC or the NWAPRS Summer Gathering, NW Digital Radio will be offering a tiered roll out of the DRAWS product.

Individual components such as the DRAWS HAT, GPS LNA Antenna, Metal Case, Pre-loaded SD Card, ... will be available for purchase independently. 

The initial offering will be only for the HAT and optional antenna.  Other offerings will roll out over the 4th quarter.

There will also be an offer for a complete, assembled system with all components integrated in a single package.

Specific bundles (e.g. everything but the Raspberry Pi) may be offered as well.



John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


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K7VE

   

What is DRAWS

 


See new blog post at:

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Edmonds, WA
K7VE