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locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

 

There are open source implementations of the gateway. Ircddbgateway and qnetgateway, for example. 

Over 10 years ago a D-STAR radio was built and demoed based on available information. 

Anyway, this is probably a discussion for a D-STAR forum, father than a general discussion group for NW Digital Radio. 

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018, 17:59 Matthew Pitts via Groups.Io <daywalker_blade_2004=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I suspect he's thinking of the Gateway side of things, which is isn't documented.


Matthew Pitts

N8OHU


On 4/29/2018 8:42 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
Ken, I don't know what you are talking about.  The physical layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR that is GMSK.  


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

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On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
> The protocols are
> published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
> published and has been for years.
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf

Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS  When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open.  You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents.  No such documents exist for D-STAR.  Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   



locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

Kenneth Hendrickson
 

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On Sun, 4/29/18, Matthew Pitts via Groups.Io <daywalker_blade_2004=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I suspect he's thinking of the Gateway side of
things, which is
isn't documented.
As long as there is *even one thing* not published, not documented, it isn't free (as in freedom), and it isn't open.

73,
Ken N8KH


locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

 

I suspect he's thinking of the Gateway side of things, which is isn't documented.


Matthew Pitts

N8OHU


On 4/29/2018 8:42 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
Ken, I don't know what you are talking about.  The physical layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR that is GMSK.  


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

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On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
> The protocols are
> published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
> published and has been for years.
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf

Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS  When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open.  You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents.  No such documents exist for D-STAR.  Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   



locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

Kenneth Hendrickson
 

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On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> wrote:
Ken, I
don't know what you are talking about.
You are still in denial.

The physical
layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR
that is GMSK.
GMSK is a *family* of possible PHY layer implementations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum-shift_keying#Gaussian_minimum-shift_keying
What is T? Where is it specified?

It isn't specified anyplace.

NOT fully published.
Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.
Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH


locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

 

Ken, I don't know what you are talking about.  The physical layer is the radio circuit and applied modulation, on D-STAR that is GMSK.  


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
> The protocols are
> published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
> published and has been for years.
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf

Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open.  NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS  When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open.  You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents.  No such documents exist for D-STAR.  Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

Kenneth Hendrickson
 

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On Sun, 4/29/18, John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> wrote:
The protocols are
published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is
published and has been for years.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/D-STAR.pdf
Nope.

Still *NOTHING* about the physical layer.
Therefore, NOT fully published.

Therefore, NOT open. NOT free (as in freedom).
Still CLOSED and PROPRIETARY.

Still NOT in the spirit of amateur radio.

73,
Ken N8KH

PS When there are "reverse engineering" attempts published on the Internet, you KNOW that it is not fully open. You don't have to reverse engineer an open protocol, because it is fully described in published documents. No such documents exist for D-STAR. Such reverse engineering attempts DO exist.


locked Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION(R) 2018

 

The protocols are published, the latest revision is in Japanese, but it is published and has been for years.


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kenneth Hendrickson via Groups.Io <dsp_stap@...> wrote:

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On Sat, 4/28/18, Woodrick, Ed <ewoodrick@...> wrote:
> D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018

Has anybody fully published *EVERYTHING* about the D-STAR protocols, including the physical layer?

To my knowledge, it has still not yet been published.

So it is still NOT open.  It is still NOT free.  It is still CLOSED AND PROPRIETARY.

That's not in the spirit of ham radio.

73,
Ken N8KH







--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018

Kenneth Hendrickson
 

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On Sat, 4/28/18, Woodrick, Ed <ewoodrick@...> wrote:
D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018
Has anybody fully published *EVERYTHING* about the D-STAR protocols, including the physical layer?

To my knowledge, it has still not yet been published.

So it is still NOT open. It is still NOT free. It is still CLOSED AND PROPRIETARY.

That's not in the spirit of ham radio.

73,
Ken N8KH


D-STAR AT DAYTON HAMVENTION® 2018

Woodrick, Ed
 

 

D-STAR At Dayton Hamvention® 2018

For more information: http://DSTARInfo.com/D-STAR-InfoCon--Dayton-Hamvention-2018.aspx

PRESENTED BY DSTARINFO.COM AND GEORGIA D-STAR
D-STAR InfoCon 2018
D-STAR's premier training event returns to Dayton Hamvention®

For those just getting started in D-STAR and those looking to add to their D-STAR experience, this class is where you want to be. The class will be given by the experienced instructors from the Georgia D-STAR group and Icom who have presented seminars and training across the country. The three-hour class begins at 8:00am on Friday, May 18, on the first day of the Dayton Hamvention 2018 and will be held at the Drury Inn in the heart of the Hamvention hotels at 6616 Miller Lane. The cost of the class is only $25.00.

The class will feature will cover topics of interest to beginning D-STAR users including:

  • D-STAR basics
  • The D-STAR user registration process explained
  • Getting started with your D-STAR radio
  • Linking to repeaters and reflectors
  • Helpful hints and tips to get the most from D-STAR
  • D-STAR Data (DRATS)

To register, head over to http://DSTARInfo.com/D-STAR-InfoCon--Dayton-Hamvention-2018.aspx

D-STAR Activities at Dayton

Thursday, May 17, 6:30-9 PM - Pre-Hamvention Meet, Greet, and Eyeball QSO

Marion’s Piazza
1320 N Fairfield Rd
Beavercreek OH 45432

Friday, May 18, 8:00-11:00 PM – D-STAR InfoCon 2018

D-STAR InfoCon
Drury Inn Ballroom
6616 Miller Lane
Dayton OH

Friday, May 18, 11:45-1:00 PM - D-STAR Forum

Forum Room 2
Dayton Hamvention

Friday, May 18, 6:30-8:30 PM – D-STAR Friday Evening Gathering

Drury Inn Ballroom
6616 Miller Lane
Dayton OH

Dayton D-STAR Repeaters

 

Call Sign

Frequency

Reflector

Location

W8RTL C

147.105+

REF030C

Dayton

W8RTL B

443.050+

XRF038C

Dayton

W8HEQ C

145.270-

Dayton

W8HEQ B

444.0875+

XRF038C

Dayton

KE8AQQB

443.150+

Lebanon

W8GO C

145.160-

Wilmington

W8GO B

442.150+

Wilmington

W8RNL C

145.150-

Hamilton

W8RNL B

442.625+

Hamilton

K8BIG C

145.350-

Cincinnati

 

Dayton D-STAR Simplex

DARA suggests using 446.1000 Digital Code Squelch CSQL use #13 as a D-STAR simplex frequency at Hamvention®. Don’t forget to update your repeater list before you start your journey!

D-STAR Affiliated Vendors at Dayton Hamvention®

 

Vendor

Booths

Icom

2508-2509, 2608-2610, 2708-2709, 6001

Kenwood

1407-1411, 1507-1511

NW Digital Radio

1105

RT Systems

3805-3806

Bridgecom Systems, Inc

1103-1104

Wireless Holdings

6211

 

If there are any corrections or additions, please drop us a note at info@...

 


LinuxFest

 


Re: Can Windows BlueDV be installed into Linux with Msiexec and Wine

KB3OIL@...
 

Thanks John, I will do that.


Re: DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

Dave Austin
 

Are you using latest version of bluedv sometimes servers can play up most dcs seem to be active hope you get it sorted im out at the mo but if u get stuck il go through the settings if if u get stuck good luck...


On Sat, 14 Apr 2018, 06:25 , <k4jkb@...> wrote:
I am new to using a thumb dv with BlueDV software.  I have the thumb dv connecting and working with DCS and XRF reflectors only.  Have confirmed QSO's.  I can only hear on REF reflectors.  when I appear to be transmitting I am not.  I have updated all of the host files.  I am at a loss.  I am using Windows 10 64 bit.   Any thoughts on why I can not transmit to any of the REF reflectors?

thanks
Joe - K4JKB


Re: DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

k4jkb@...
 

Thank you John.  I am all new to DSTAR.  I registered and will wait for approval.

Joe


Re: DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

 

It doesn't look like you are registered on US Trust (http://query.ke5bms.com/index.php)  -- you must be registered for REF reflectors.  


ThumbDV questions should go to https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/ambe

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:43 PM, <k4jkb@...> wrote:
I am new to using a thumb dv with BlueDV software.  I have the thumb dv connecting and working with DCS and XRF reflectors only.  Have confirmed QSO's.  I can only hear on REF reflectors.  when I appear to be transmitting I am not.  I have updated all of the host files.  I am at a loss.  I am using Windows 10 64 bit.   Any thoughts on why I can not transmit to any of the REF reflectors?

thanks
Joe - K4JKB




--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: Can Windows BlueDV be installed into Linux with Msiexec and Wine

 

The author of BlueDV is active in the AMBE subgroup -- https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/ambe  

It is better to ask the question there.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 4:48 PM, KB3OIL via Groups.Io <KB3OIL@...> wrote:

I had BlueDV installed on my Win 10 computer and used it with my ThumbDV with no problems.  My year old Dell recently dumped all for the fourth time.  Dell talked me through a software fix once and it went back to Dell hardware people twice for fixes.  Everything had to be reinstalled  each time.  After this recent major problem I dumped Windows 10 and installed one of the Ubuntu Linux's.  I now understand that AMBE 3000 is not a part of the Linux version of BlueDV (let me know if that is not correct).  I'm pretty much new to everything (except the world) including Linux.  However I did stumble on a site saying you can install a .msi file (Microsoft Installer) with Msiexec and Wine (Google both together).  I have not had any success doing this, but like I said, I'm still new to all of this.  Has anyone tried using these files or are able load BlueDV and use their ThumbDV with an Ubuntu version of Linux.

 

Note: This topic is better addressed in the ambe subgroup.




--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: Can Windows BlueDV be installed into Linux with Msiexec and Wine

 

If you are wanting to order ThumbDV -- http://nwdigitalradio.com/product/thumbdv/  (They are back ordered until the end of the month, but you can place the order and it will be shipped when they come in.)

Email inquiries to sales@...

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:18 PM, 임성규 <hopeseoul@...> wrote:
 Thank you for your kind reply.
I found the cause of ThumbDV.
1. Raspberry Pi 3 When the power supply voltage is 5.0V
    Only one of the two ThumbDVs worked.
     And one has an error.
2. When Raspberry Pi 3 power supply voltage is 5.1V
     Both ThumbDVs were working.
3. I changed the Raspberry Pi 3 power to 5.1V.
4. The ThumbDV supply voltage was found to operate at 5.1V.
I found it difficult to get ThumbDV power to work at 5.1V.
ThumbDV now knows that the voltage works well at 5.1V.
You should also refer to this
I will send ThumbDV commodity price $ 110 X 2EA = $ 220.
I do not know how to send.
I will learn how to send.
And I will send you $ 220.
Please understand that it takes a little time.
Thank you.

2018-04-14 8:48 GMT+09:00 KB3OIL via Groups.Io <KB3OIL=yahoo.com@groups.io>:
> I had BlueDV installed on my Win 10 computer and used it with my ThumbDV
> with no problems.  My year old Dell recently dumped all for the fourth time.
> Dell talked me through a software fix once and it went back to Dell hardware
> people twice for fixes.  Everything had to be reinstalled  each time.  After
> this recent major problem I dumped Windows 10 and installed one of the
> Ubuntu Linux's.  I now understand that AMBE 3000 is not a part of the Linux
> version of BlueDV (let me know if that is not correct).  I'm pretty much new
> to everything (except the world) including Linux.  However I did stumble on
> a site saying you can install a .msi file (Microsoft Installer) with Msiexec
> and Wine (Google both together).  I have not had any success doing this, but
> like I said, I'm still new to all of this.  Has anyone tried using these
> files or are able load BlueDV and use their ThumbDV with an Ubuntu version
> of Linux.
>
>
>
> Note: This topic is better addressed in the ambe subgroup.
>
>






--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


DSTAR - Bluedv - reflector issue

k4jkb@...
 

I am new to using a thumb dv with BlueDV software.  I have the thumb dv connecting and working with DCS and XRF reflectors only.  Have confirmed QSO's.  I can only hear on REF reflectors.  when I appear to be transmitting I am not.  I have updated all of the host files.  I am at a loss.  I am using Windows 10 64 bit.   Any thoughts on why I can not transmit to any of the REF reflectors?

thanks
Joe - K4JKB


Re: Can Windows BlueDV be installed into Linux with Msiexec and Wine

Joe
 

You may want to try native linux dstar program instead of trying to emulate windows on linux.


On 04/13/2018 04:48 PM, KB3OIL via Groups.Io wrote:

I had BlueDV installed on my Win 10 computer and used it with my ThumbDV with no problems.  My year old Dell recently dumped all for the fourth time.  Dell talked me through a software fix once and it went back to Dell hardware people twice for fixes.  Everything had to be reinstalled  each time.  After this recent major problem I dumped Windows 10 and installed one of the Ubuntu Linux's.  I now understand that AMBE 3000 is not a part of the Linux version of BlueDV (let me know if that is not correct).  I'm pretty much new to everything (except the world) including Linux.  However I did stumble on a site saying you can install a .msi file (Microsoft Installer) with Msiexec and Wine (Google both together).  I have not had any success doing this, but like I said, I'm still new to all of this.  Has anyone tried using these files or are able load BlueDV and use their ThumbDV with an Ubuntu version of Linux.

 

Note: This topic is better addressed in the ambe subgroup.



Re: Can Windows BlueDV be installed into Linux with Msiexec and Wine

임성규
 

Thank you for your kind reply.
I found the cause of ThumbDV.
1. Raspberry Pi 3 When the power supply voltage is 5.0V
Only one of the two ThumbDVs worked.
And one has an error.
2. When Raspberry Pi 3 power supply voltage is 5.1V
Both ThumbDVs were working.
3. I changed the Raspberry Pi 3 power to 5.1V.
4. The ThumbDV supply voltage was found to operate at 5.1V.
I found it difficult to get ThumbDV power to work at 5.1V.
ThumbDV now knows that the voltage works well at 5.1V.
You should also refer to this
I will send ThumbDV commodity price $ 110 X 2EA = $ 220.
I do not know how to send.
I will learn how to send.
And I will send you $ 220.
Please understand that it takes a little time.
Thank you.

2018-04-14 8:48 GMT+09:00 KB3OIL via Groups.Io <KB3OIL=yahoo.com@groups.io>:

I had BlueDV installed on my Win 10 computer and used it with my ThumbDV
with no problems. My year old Dell recently dumped all for the fourth time.
Dell talked me through a software fix once and it went back to Dell hardware
people twice for fixes. Everything had to be reinstalled each time. After
this recent major problem I dumped Windows 10 and installed one of the
Ubuntu Linux's. I now understand that AMBE 3000 is not a part of the Linux
version of BlueDV (let me know if that is not correct). I'm pretty much new
to everything (except the world) including Linux. However I did stumble on
a site saying you can install a .msi file (Microsoft Installer) with Msiexec
and Wine (Google both together). I have not had any success doing this, but
like I said, I'm still new to all of this. Has anyone tried using these
files or are able load BlueDV and use their ThumbDV with an Ubuntu version
of Linux.



Note: This topic is better addressed in the ambe subgroup.


Can Windows BlueDV be installed into Linux with Msiexec and Wine

KB3OIL@...
 

I had BlueDV installed on my Win 10 computer and used it with my ThumbDV with no problems.  My year old Dell recently dumped all for the fourth time.  Dell talked me through a software fix once and it went back to Dell hardware people twice for fixes.  Everything had to be reinstalled  each time.  After this recent major problem I dumped Windows 10 and installed one of the Ubuntu Linux's.  I now understand that AMBE 3000 is not a part of the Linux version of BlueDV (let me know if that is not correct).  I'm pretty much new to everything (except the world) including Linux.  However I did stumble on a site saying you can install a .msi file (Microsoft Installer) with Msiexec and Wine (Google both together).  I have not had any success doing this, but like I said, I'm still new to all of this.  Has anyone tried using these files or are able load BlueDV and use their ThumbDV with an Ubuntu version of Linux.

 

Note: This topic is better addressed in the ambe subgroup.