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Re: Total VaporWare

Dean Gibson AE7Q <yahu.stuff@...>
 

You are being way too kind.  I vote for booting them off the forum, and refusing their money.  People like this will be a support nightmare.

At least Mr. Fox signed his message.  The other person hides his identity, and probably for good reason.

Believe me, I have not posted more than about 1% of how I really feel about this, but I can if the discussion warrants it.

-- Dean Gibson AE7Q

On 2015-10-17 11:30, bhhoyer@... [UniversalDigitalRadio] wrote:
Ok Folks, let me step in here.

...

There is no value in discussing it further. If your well founded skepticism has now convinced you that the UDR will never be produced then simply drop off the list.

Bryan K7UDR



Re: Total VaporWare

Steve <ve7cbh@...>
 

Well said Bryan.  Hi speed digital is worth the wait to get it right.
 
My two cents.
 
Steve
VE7CBH
 

------ Original Message ------
From: "bhhoyer@... [UniversalDigitalRadio]" <UniversalDigitalRadio@...>
Sent: 17/10/2015 11:30:22 AM
Subject: [UniversalDigitalRadio] Re: Total VaporWare
 


Ok Folks, let me step in here.

The UDR is still under development and NW Digital Radio has been funded by accessory sales and has added resources in order to continue forward with it and other products.

The reality is, when we start shipping there will be people who have never heard of the UDR that will be excited to buy it, and there will others who are tired of waiting and won't.

There is no value in discussing it further. If your well founded skepticism has now convinced you that the UDR will never be produced then simply drop off the list.

Bryan K7UDR




AW: Total VaporWare

"siegfried jackstien" <siegfried.jackstien@...>
 

Build it to meet ham radio ops standard (functional in minimum) and bring it
out! ...

Dg9bfc

Sigi

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: UniversalDigitalRadio@...
[mailto:UniversalDigitalRadio@...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Oktober 2015 17:20
An: UniversalDigitalRadio@...
Betreff: Re: [UniversalDigitalRadio] Total VaporWare



Spoken like someone that has no clue about developing hardware that meets
government standards.


Matthew Pitts
N8OHU


________________________________

From: "dsp_stap@... [UniversalDigitalRadio]"
<UniversalDigitalRadio@...>
To: UniversalDigitalRadio@...
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 1:49 AM
Subject: [UniversalDigitalRadio] Total VaporWare



The Universal Data Radio (UDR) will never be produced.




Re: Total VaporWare

bhhoyer@...
 

Ok Folks, let me step in here.

The UDR is still under development and NW Digital Radio has been funded by accessory sales and has added resources in order to continue forward with it and other products.

The reality is, when we start shipping there will be people who have never heard of the UDR that will be excited to buy it, and there will others who are tired of waiting and won't.

There is no value in discussing it further. If your well founded skepticism has now convinced you that the UDR will never be produced then simply drop off the list.

Bryan K7UDR


Re: Total VaporWare

Matthew Pitts <daywalker_blade_2004@...>
 

Spoken like someone that has no clue about developing hardware that meets government standards.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU



From: "dsp_stap@... [UniversalDigitalRadio]"
To: UniversalDigitalRadio@...
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 1:49 AM
Subject: [UniversalDigitalRadio] Total VaporWare

 
The Universal Data Radio (UDR) will never be produced.



Re: Total VaporWare

"Michael Fox \(N6MEF\)" <n6mef@...>
 

It sure seems that way.

 

Two years of the web page being updated each quarter to show next quarter delivery is pretty sad and, frankly, insulting.

 

Michael

N6MEF

 

From: UniversalDigitalRadio@... [mailto:UniversalDigitalRadio@...]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:49 PM
To: UniversalDigitalRadio@...
Subject: [UniversalDigitalRadio] Total VaporWare

 

 

The Universal Data Radio (UDR) will never be produced.


Total VaporWare

dsp_stap@...
 

The Universal Data Radio (UDR) will never be produced.


ARRL/TAPR DCC (Digital Communications Conference), Chicago, IL, Friday, 10/9 - Sunday, 11/11

Mark Thompson <wb9qzb_groups@...>
 




2015 ARRL/TAPR DCC 
(Digital Communications Conference) 

DoubleTree Hotel
Arlington Heights, IL

October 9 - 11, 2015
 

The Digital Communication Conference is the premiere annual Digital Conference 
covering all Digital Modes & Techniques including Data, Voice & Television and SDR.  

The DCC has two full days of Technical presentations on Friday & Saturday, concurrent Introductory forums on Saturday, 
a Saturday night Banquet with a Guest Speaker and a Sunday morning Seminar deep dive into a technical subject. 
There are also Friday & Saturday Lunches and a Friday Night Social.  

The 2015 DCC will be held at the DoubleTree Hotel in Chicago northwest suburb of Arlington Heights 
not far from O'Hare airport with a free hotel shuttle to O'Hare. 

DCC Information & Speaker Schedule(Attached)
http://www.tapr.org/dcc

Be sure to register for the DCC and reserve your hotel room. 
DCC Registration 
http://www.tapr.org/dcc#registration
 
DCC Hotel Information 
http://www.tapr.org/dcc#hotel

Look forward to your participation in the DCC. 








Re: dmr and dstar access

Matthew Pitts <daywalker_blade_2004@...>
 

Hello Barry,

I should have been a little more clear on what I meant; there are two distinct DMR networks, DMR-MARC (Motorola MotoTRBO) and DMRPlus (Hytera and DV4mini hotspots) which don't normally possess any interoperability, although that seems to be changing now. As of earlier this week, NorCAL DMR has established a nationwide talkgroup for DMR-MARC that permits access to a DMRPlus Reflector, which is where I will be focusing my efforts on the DMR side of things; I also plan to do the same for System Fusion, including a DMR to Fusion bridge.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU


On September 2, 2015 8:26:39 PM EDT, "k6st@... [UniversalDigitalRadio]" <UniversalDigitalRadio@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Matthew.  I am interested in being able to the 2 modes on, either mode DMR or STAR but not both at the same time, no need for cross connect.


--
Sent from my Moto X with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: dmr and dstar access

k6st@...
 

Thanks Matthew.  I am interested in being able to the 2 modes on, either mode DMR or STAR but not both at the same time, no need for cross connect.


Re: dmr and dstar access

Matthew Pitts <daywalker_blade_2004@...>
 

Barry,

Not as yet; DMR is possible, but we need to realize that there are two networks that don't normally communicate with each other for that mode, as opposed to the two interlinked networks for D-STAR. I have been working on a software solution, but have not yet got it working for this.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU



From: "K6ST Barry Bettman k6st@... [UniversalDigitalRadio]"
To: UniversalDigitalRadio@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:14 PM
Subject: [UniversalDigitalRadio] dmr and dstar access

 
Is there currently both dmr and dstar access available on the DVthumb?  If so, ,what software application is used?

I am interest in both dmr and dstar.

Thanks.




Re: dmr and dstar access

David Warden <dwarden3@...>
 

I would love to have access to DMR through ThumbDV also but so far no luck for me. Works great on dStar though with WinDV.

There is a DMR repeater there in Reno. You could pick up a Tytera MD-380 radio for a reasonable price and jump on that repeater.

David R. Warden III
KG7NKG
Sent from my iPhone


dmr and dstar access

K6ST Barry Bettman <k6st@...>
 

Is there currently both dmr and dstar access available on the DVthumb?  If so, ,what software application is used?

I am interest in both dmr and dstar.

Thanks.


UDRC Availability

"John D. Hays" <john@...>
 

The UDRC is still under development.  

Chris has said that there may be a change in the I/O setup (Huntsville) on the interface connector so the board is being re-designed to have a more flexible pinout management.

The GMSK modem is going to be provided by an on card codec and we are still working through the bringup (prototyping was done with an external modem).

Also, there are some issues with hand-off back to analog when running AUTO on the Yaesu controller, so we may also implement a full analog controller on the card as well.

Software for the D-STAR and Analog controllers already exists.

For those who are mainly interested in D-STAR or D-STAR/Analog -- I will be providing a blog post soon at http://k7ve.org -- it's really quite easy.   

Subscribe to UniversalDigitalRadio Yahoo! group for general updates.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:07 PM, rogerd111@... [DR-1X] <DR-1X@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have an update regarding the availability of the UDRC from NW Digital?

TIA,

Roger

N6DVZ 


--


John D. Hays
K7VE

PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 
  


Mac OS Users

"John D. Hays" <john@...>
 

We are looking for a few (6-10) beta testers for a new 3rd Party Mac OS program for both ThumbDV and AMBEserver (network access).

Please express your interest to support@...

To be part of the beta test you will need to have a Mac OS platform (recent versions). You must be an experienced D-STAR/Reflector/Gateway linking user. There will be no 'how do I link' startup support.

You must also demonstrate how to write a good bug report; e.g. including all of the details (OS Version, Configuration, Steps to replicate, etc.).  Send us a sample.

Preference will be given to testers that have both a ThumbDV™ (using USB) and a DV3000 (on Pi for AMBEserver) or a second computer running AMBEserver with the ThumbDV™.

This is a completely new application written specifically for Mac OS.

A small Alpha test team has been testing for a couple pre-releases and really like the program.

--


John D. Hays
K7VE

PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 
  


Re: DV3000 questions

kb9mwr@...
 

Face the facts, ham radio is niche market.  And DV is an even smaller sliver of that.  Ham coders with that experience is even less.

As for a hardware vendor not knowing about every software package that will work with the hardware, that analogy might hold true in the mainstream market, where there lots of users.  Like a Window OS and independent software applications.

Yes everyone can innovate independently, but I think in such a limited market area it would be more logical if they worked together.  Poll the resources so to speak.

The only publicly available Linux software that I know of for the NW DV products is from Jonathan Naylor.  I think Fred, PA4YBR has a Windows application that he sells. 

Ham radio has made a pretty good argument for open source stuff.  It's our very nature.  Short of a open source coder writing something to bolster his resume, I'd like to think the hardware vendor should at least consider donating their hardware to competent coders to encourage development.  Maybe this happens.

If I wanted to sell my product, I'd want to keep tabs on what software has been developed to work with my hardware as it will help sell my product, and know what to refer customers to.

Short of a hardware guys cutting a deal with the software developers then other options to encourage software development might be:

-A kickstarter project.  X number of potential users pledge $$
-A group backed project.  TAPR or the ARRL makes a pledge

And at the very least like I said before, recognition via awards from some like the ARRL or TAPR can go a long way to keep that limited pool of coders from feeling unrecognized/burned out.

I think with a more organized approach in ham radio we can be making better progress. 

Again just my thoughts.


Re: DV3000 questions

Robert Copelan <rcopelan@...>
 

The beauty of the software situation is that there are multiple software solutions.  Some open source and at lease one totally closed source.  Each have their special functions that make them unique.   Both the software developers and hardware developers are free to innovate their solutions independently.  The result is that every couple of months we see something new!   
Robert  

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:22 PM, kb9mwr@... [UniversalDigitalRadio] <UniversalDigitalRadio@...> wrote:
 


Personally I think they should be working together.  Seems the only one who profits is the hardware vendor, while the software coder gets nothing? 

I keep reading about a modified version of DSD, etc and can't help but think the reason these aren't publicly released is because the coders know it will help sell a product and what do they get out of the deal?

If nothing else I think someone like TAPR should bestowing awards on some of the kinds folks who have spent countless hours coding just for the good of the hobby.

Just my thoughts

---In UniversalDigitalRadio@..., wrote :

Since a hardware vendor can't possibly know about every software package that will work with the hardware, you contact the software vendor about their software.



Re: DV3000 questions

kb9mwr@...
 


Personally I think they should be working together.  Seems the only one who profits is the hardware vendor, while the software coder gets nothing? 

I keep reading about a modified version of DSD, etc and can't help but think the reason these aren't publicly released is because the coders know it will help sell a product and what do they get out of the deal?

If nothing else I think someone like TAPR should bestowing awards on some of the kinds folks who have spent countless hours coding just for the good of the hobby.

Just my thoughts

---In UniversalDigitalRadio@..., <yahu.stuff@...> wrote :

Since a hardware vendor can't possibly know about every software package that will work with the hardware, you contact the software vendor about their software. <snip>


Re: DV3000 questions

Dean Gibson AE7Q <yahu.stuff@...>
 

Since a hardware vendor can't possibly know about every software package that will work with the hardware, you contact the software vendor about their software.  It's the same for operating systems;  the OS maker (eg, for Windows or Linux) can't possibly know about every software package that will work with the OS.

It's very routine for such questions to be considered off-topic on such forums.  "UniversalDigitalRadio" is more forgiving than most.

Eg, questions about HRD are rebuffed on the Icom IC-7000 and IC-7100 forums.  I can give you a name of a popular ham radio forum where such threads are instantly deleted, with threats of banning the offending member.

You may not like it, but it's standard practice.

On 2015-08-18 18:36, kc9gqr@... [UniversalDigitalRadio] wrote:
I am not sure how  it would be off topic  when asking if a product that  you designed would work on this software?  


Re: DV3000 questions

kc9gqr@...
 

I am not sure how  it would be off topic  when asking if a product that  you designed would work on this software?