"John D. Hays" <john@...>
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Matthew Pitts <daywalker_blade_2004@...> wrote:
For those who missed it - start at minute 5:15 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0svcHERWrM
We have since reworked the whole RF section for much better performance, and have new management code.
Steve Stroh N8GNJ <steve.n8gnj@...>
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I think you make my point rather eloquently, when you conflate RAID
storage and an Amateur Radio network. In my experience, if you're
talking about RAID storage, such usage trends more towards the 1%...
as opposed to the 99% of ordinary Amateur Radio users that I expect to
buy the UDRX and want, and use, the apps that will be include in/on
the UDRX. Not to mention the novel (to me) concept of "... security of
the network path itself" in relation to an Amateur Radio network given
the restrictions on using encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies
(that literally anyone can monitor) and resulting distinct LACK of
I have the benefit of having met the developer of the RF portion of
the UDRX, and as a result have every confidence that users like you
that want to bypass the built in apps and use the UDRX purely as an RF
modem, yeah, "it IS in there".
The amateur radio networks that I've seen that will benefit enormously
from the UDRX typically have really basic computers and limited
software and capabilities (such as EOCs with Winlink software talking
to 1200 baud TNCs). With the built-in apps, incorporating the UDRX
into such Amateur Radio networks will be easy - just use a web browser
on the existing PC.
But perhaps we're comparing apples and oranges - as far as I'm aware,
the UDRX is designed for, will be manufactured for, and operated on
Amateur Radio frequencies, by licensed Amateur Radio operators... 99%
of whom probably won't be using RAID storage on their Amateur Radio
I think Northwest Digital Radio IS listening - to ALL the potential
customers for the UDRX.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Michael E Fox - N6MEF <n6mef@...> wrote:
Mark L Friedlander <marklfriedlander@...>
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I'm not so sure it's productive to judge SquirrelMail based on how you found it over 5 years ago. I'm currently using it and find it as good as any other webmail software and better than some others I've used recently.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Steve Stroh N8GNJ <steve.n8gnj@...> wrote:
Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@...>
With the built-in apps, incorporating the UDRXWhat infrastructure is there? Working with the 'local' system is key
and given hams, all local systems will be different. So no matter
what there is out of the box - there will be local modifications...
Maybe we need an "apt-get install local-system" default target so
it's possible to (nearly) automatically install local requirements...
Dean Gibson AE7Q <yahoo@...>
On 2014-03-13 10:44, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
I think part of what all of us are experiencing, is the frustration of (in many cases) made purchasing decisions (eg, not buying something else) based on a schedule that has (for speeds over 9.6k) slipped by at least a year. Some of us have also seen software products (whether free or commercial) languish for bug fixes or serious enhancements, while "software engineers" fiddle with changes for the sake of cosmetics (Thunderbird being a prime example). Like you, I hope that primary software efforts are not being delayed for "adjunct" software. Of course, most of the software effort is volunteer, and different people have different skills (I'm an embedded developer, not a GUI wizard).
On the other hand, many commercial products can't survive economically without "appliance" users, or even "toy" users. Ten years ago, the number of amateur radio licensees was steadily declining; now, it is up by about 8%. Now, some will argue whether or not that's a good thing (I will argue the latter, but not here), but the fact is, most consumer products exist (at least at current prices) due to this effect. UDR has appliance purchasers lining up, and it needs them as well as "us" (meaning those that don't want any eMail software on the UDRX) for both survival and the resources to support us (there will be changes).
However, like everyone else, I'm not getting any younger, and I've been looking at alternate solutions. Tuesday evening I bought a commercial 5.8GHz digital (eg, Ethernet) radio and 36" dish for $200 total to use with the HamWAN project. Two days later (today) I am on the air (through a 2nd story window -- need to move it higher) to a remote Internet connection at 1.5Mbps, for 1/2 the price of a UDRX. When I mount the antenna higher, I should get over 10Mbps.
Assuming we get the UDRX with a speed of (say) 128Kbps by fall, then some of us will only have ourselves to communicate with. I'm in the Pacific NW, and I know some of the UDRX buyers: some of them will be "slow" to get a usable network up. Meanwhile, I'm on the air to others on the HamWAN network and the Internet, today. I will probably buy a second radio/antenna combo to experiment with.
Whether these radios supplant or replace my reservation for two UDRX radios, I have not decided.
Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@...>
However, like everyone else, I'm not getting any younger, and I've beenI was going to get a HamWAN setup but then I took my laptop with built
in wifi to McDonalds... Had an fast internet connection and
downloaded some cool John Denver videos and a few wild Viking wood
songs... That's working great - guess I don't need HamWAN or
Mostly just kidding. I really didn't get any Viking songs yet.
The technologies are complementary - but the Internet as it sits is an
anti-goal. Doing this just to hook to the Internet - limited as it
may be for ham regulations - is pretty much ho-hum. It's what we
can and will do in our own side of that fence that's super cool and
So Dean - what email client did you use with your new toys to send
these notes? You web site was the first to know we had a new call
listed in 59454 - good job - was that hosted on the hamWAN?
i'v been teasing Bruce for weeks about hooking up to Hamwan and bring
it to brunch to supplement the coverage we get from his clear wire
equipment. Are you going to fill in with a connection from your car
and backup bruce. I've got those John Denver videos to upload to my
cloud server and that would be good workout for a mobile hamWan node.
I'd offer to share our UHF 9600 bandwidth but give we can't download a
simple web page yet I don't think it'll help much. Still getting some
pings across every hour or soo.
Whether these radios supplant or replace my reservation for two UDRX radios,Hope to see you at burnch. Might bring my Groove and fire it up..
Dean Gibson AE7Q <yahoo@...>
On 2014-03-13 23:02, Bill Vodall wrote:
You are correct; accessing the Internet is normally a "means-test", to see if the amateur radio network is just a toy between three amateurs, or actually useful.However, like everyone else, I'm not getting any younger, and I've been looking at alternate solutions. Tuesday evening I bought a commercial 5.8GHz digital (eg, Ethernet) radio and 36" dish for $200 total to use with the HamWAN project. Two days later (today) I am on the air (through a 2nd story window -- .......