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Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Basil Gunn
 

From some google-fu:

Note that the chrony service does not change the time. The often
misconception is that the chrony service is setting the time to the one
given by the NTP server. This is incorrect – what actually happens is
that based on the answer from the NTP server, chrony just tells the
system clock to go faster or slower. For this reason, sometimes even
though the time is wrong and the NTP server is working, the time does
not get corrected immediately.

If your system time is off by a lot you can try this.
To step the system clock immediately, bypassing any adjustments in
progress by slewing, issue the following command as root:

chronyc makestep

Also check out entries in:
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/VERIFY_CONFIG.md
Look for "Check GPS"

Also send me the console output from this script.
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/gps/verify_time.sh

/Basil

Gayland Gump <kg7gcf@...> writes:

I believe it ran for a few hours without the update, in fact I was
surprised when I finally noticed that the date and time were so off. I did
not do anything with chrony nor the gps other than install the battery and
hooked up the antenna.

Gayland
KG7GCF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:56 PM Basil Gunn <@basil860> wrote:


FYI, I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the
time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna
installed.
My experience is that it can sometimes take 10 minutes for chronyd to
sync.
/Basil


I ended up setting it manually using the date command. Haven't
been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that
soon.

Gayland
KG7GCF


Re: Suggested pre-installed apps for the 'final' image and bugs

Basil Gunn
 

I just loaded beta5 and going through it, I'll make a list here of
suggested apps for the final image (or at least that people should
consider installing)

- geany: great little text editor, multiple language support
Not to sound too dogmatic but text editors are personal and I've had
this discussion a few too many times already. Put whatever editor you
want on your installation but it most likely will not be in the
nw digital radio RPi image.

current bugs I've found:
- wget https://sourceforge.net produces 'certificate not trusted'
Not sure what you are talking about. There are no wget of any files in
the configuration script of the image. The whole point of making the
image is so you don't have to do that.

I'm going to manually go through the rest of my script later but so
far that looks like the biggest deal that I can see.
/Basil


Suggested pre-installed apps for the 'final' image and bugs

Art - KC7SDA
 

I just loaded beta5 and going through it, I'll make a list here of suggested apps for the final image (or at least that people should consider installing)

- geany: great little text editor, multiple language support 

current bugs I've found:
- wget https://sourceforge.net produces 'certificate not trusted'

I'm going to manually go through the rest of my script later but so far that looks like the biggest deal that I can see.


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Gayland Gump
 

I believe it ran for a few hours without the update, in fact I was surprised when I finally noticed that the date and time were so off.  I did not do anything with chrony nor the gps other than install the battery and hooked up the antenna.  

Gayland
KG7GCF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:56 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

> FYI,  I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the
> time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna
> installed.

My experience is that it can sometimes take 10 minutes for chronyd to
sync.
/Basil


> I ended up setting it manually using the date command.  Haven't
> been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that soon.
>
> Gayland
> KG7GCF




Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Basil Gunn
 

FYI, I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the
time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna
installed.
My experience is that it can sometimes take 10 minutes for chronyd to
sync.
/Basil


I ended up setting it manually using the date command. Haven't
been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that soon.

Gayland
KG7GCF


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

The RTC is part of the GPS and is set by the GPS, make sure your GPS is receiving to get the RTC set, you can use gpsmon or cgps to check the gps.  Then gpsd and chrony need to be running for the system clock updates.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:51 PM Gayland Gump <kg7gcf@...> wrote:
FYI,  I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna installed.  I ended up setting it manually using the date command.  Haven't been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that soon.

Gayland
KG7GCF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:35 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

> Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
> This time command
> systemctl status chrony
> showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
> chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Bernard f6bvp
>
>
>> Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :
>>
>> Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:
>>>
>>> > I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
>>> > correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
>>> > etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
>>> > two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
>>>
>>> That's true & I need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
>>> implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
>>> you install ntp, chrony is removed.
>>> I need to look into using chrony without a gps.
>>>
>>> /Basil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>





--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Gayland Gump
 

FYI,  I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna installed.  I ended up setting it manually using the date command.  Haven't been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that soon.

Gayland
KG7GCF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:35 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

> Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
> This time command
> systemctl status chrony
> showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
> chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Bernard f6bvp
>
>
>> Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :
>>
>> Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:
>>>
>>> > I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
>>> > correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
>>> > etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
>>> > two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
>>>
>>> That's true & I need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
>>> implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
>>> you install ntp, chrony is removed.
>>> I need to look into using chrony without a gps.
>>>
>>> /Basil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

I will add that if you go into /etc/chrony/chrony.conf and modify the line for PPS and add prefer to the end, that should give you the most accurate time when the GPS is running.

refclock SHM 2 refid PPS precision 1e-9 poll 3 trust prefer


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:35 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

> Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
> This time command
> systemctl status chrony
> showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
> chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Bernard f6bvp
>
>
>> Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :
>>
>> Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:
>>>
>>> > I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
>>> > correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
>>> > etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
>>> > two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
>>>
>>> That's true & I need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
>>> implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
>>> you install ntp, chrony is removed.
>>> I need to look into using chrony without a gps.
>>>
>>> /Basil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>





--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Basil Gunn
 

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
This time command
systemctl status chrony
showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.

Thanks,

73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> a écrit :

Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <@basil860 wrote:

I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
etc...configuration. Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps. Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil



Re: kissattach ports address

Basil Gunn
 

Yes good idea.
/Basil

Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@...> writes:

Hi,
I would prefere to have IP address
of AX25 ports being set as parameters rather that fixed IP values inside the script ax25-upd.
Something like :
PORT_1_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.xx »
PORT_2_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.yy »

and in the call to kissattach
${pseudo term}
${PORTNAME_1} $PORT_1_ADDRESS > /tmp/ax25-config.tmp


73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:00, John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> a écrit :

Look at the Wiki. Chrony is installed in lieu of ntpd.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 07:52 Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@... wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp




kissattach ports address

Bernard Pidoux
 

Hi,
I would prefere to have IP address 
of AX25 ports being set as parameters rather that fixed IP values inside the script ax25-upd.
Something like :
PORT_1_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.xx »
PORT_2_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.yy »

and in the call to kissattach 
${pseudo term}
${PORTNAME_1} $PORT_1_ADDRESS > /tmp/ax25-config.tmp


73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:00, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :

Look at the Wiki. Chrony is installed in lieu of ntpd. 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 07:52 Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@... wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus  I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display  local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp





Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Basil Gunn
 

So I take it that there is not a script
or GUI UI that sets all the packages up from a checkbox list and some
data entry like my name, call sign and grid.
Not yet. That is our vision for config as well.

I am working to get a 20m Gateway up once the unit I order
this morning arrives
Nice!

1 Feb 2019 9or there abouts).Ed Bloom
ewbloom@... from Webmail access
-----Original Message-----
From: Basil Gunn <@basil860>
To: udrc <udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [udrc] ARDOP on the DRAWS



NEVER MIND!!! I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....But does not answer
the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loadedand
ready to use?Ed Bloom
Both arim 2.4 & latest version of ardop are installed on the image.
Not sure what you mean by "ready to use". You have to configure any of
the applications that are on the image.

I have successfully run arim with ardop on the RPi. Also I am working
on having paclink-unix use ardop as a transport.

/Basil


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Bernard f6bvp / ai7bg
 

Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp. 
This time command 
systemctl status chrony 
showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.

Thanks,

73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :

Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet. 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:

> I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
> correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
> etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
> two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.

That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil




Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

Basil,
 
Thank you for answering.  So I take it that there is not a script or GUI UI that sets all the packages up from a checkbox list and some data entry like my name, call sign and grid.
 
Knowing ARDOP is available it great. I am working to get a 20m Gateway up once the unit I order this morning arrives 1 Feb 2019 9or there abouts).
 
Ed Bloom
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Basil Gunn <basil@...>
To: udrc <udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [udrc] ARDOP on the DRAWS



> NEVER MIND!!! I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....But does not answer
> the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loadedand
> ready to use?Ed Bloom

Both arim 2.4 & latest version of ardop are installed on the image.
Not sure what you mean by "ready to use". You have to configure any of
the applications that are on the image.

I have successfully run arim with ardop on the RPi.  Also I am working
on having paclink-unix use ardop as a transport.

/Basil





Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Basil Gunn
 

NEVER MIND!!! I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....But does not answer
the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loadedand
ready to use?Ed Bloom
Both arim 2.4 & latest version of ardop are installed on the image.
Not sure what you mean by "ready to use". You have to configure any of
the applications that are on the image.

I have successfully run arim with ardop on the RPi. Also I am working
on having paclink-unix use ardop as a transport.

/Basil


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet. 


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:

> I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
> correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
> etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
> two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.

That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil




Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Basil Gunn
 

I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
etc...configuration. Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps. Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

Look at the Wiki. Chrony is installed in lieu of ntpd. 


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 07:52 Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@... wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus  I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display  local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp





ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Bernard Pidoux
 

Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp


Re: DRAWS GPS Altitude limit #draws #gps

 

We are using the S1216F8-GL

Datasheet:



On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Brian Badger <brian@...> wrote:

I don’t know the exact model used but the S1216 GNSS module datasheet says that it will support <18000m OR <515 m/s.  “Either may be exceeded but not both”

Brian N0KZ 


On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Craig Baker, KF7LLA <kf7lla@...> wrote:

Having done a HAB project, we used a Big Red Bee as our primary tracker and were experimenting with the Trackuino (https://github.com/trackuino) that uses the SparkFun GPS-11058 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/11058).  I'm not sure what the replacement is for the GPS-11058, as that's discontinued, but there should be a newer version that still supports the OR condition.

Craig / KF7LLA