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Re: DRAWS and Allstar?

Steve KC1AWV
 

I understand what you are saying. That's why I like to try and figure out what people are doing with their devices, and lend a hand when I can.

I just see that DRAWS is more of a Swiss army knife for digital on amateur radio than just a radio interface. That's why I would suggest a URIx instead of a DRAWS board with Allstar. But, I don't know everyone's use case so I could still do what I can to make it work.

Could it be done? I'm sure it could! But like you said, it's better to perfect the device for it's intended purpose than to stretch the capabilities out to cover everything.

I'll be over here on the side, and will update with findings if I get any! If I find time to tinker, I'll see what I can do to make it work. 

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 11:30 PM Anthony Leeser <tagtynee@...> wrote:
Steve,

Hmmm...the thought of the DRAWS board providing Allstar capabilities wasn't thought of. I would just be satisfied if they can both run on one operating system/RPi.

There's so many unanswered questions that haven't yet been answered and to add  Allstar or any other experiments to DRAWS is too early, in my oppinion, until it's perfected. Kinda like putting the horse in front of the cart?

I've given up on the DRAWS. I don't know what I'm doing. Instructions are vague unless we're Linux geeks. Linux geek I'm not.

Tony
AG7GF 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Steve KC1AWV <smiller@...>
Date: 6/2/19 8:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [udrc] DRAWS and Allstar?

"Allstar without the attached OS" is just Asterisk with app_rpt. Asterisk runs on many OSes - Linux, BSD, Windows, etc... Just need to compile it with app_rpt.

Allstar takes it a step further, building a network on top of Asterisk and app_rpt. They provide a distribution of Debian with Asterisk and app_rpt pre compiled, with all the heavy lifting and configuration already done. You could do it all yourself, but why when you can save time with the distro?

The issue I see is not with the Allstar distribution, but rather getting DRAWS to show up as a compatible device for app_rpt. The URIx and other similar radio interface were specifically designed for Allstar, IRLP and the like.

A driver may be needed for use with Allstar. If this is something that a lot of people are interested in, I could take a stab at it. Just need to dedicate the time and a board. Though, I feel that the exercise may be a little in vain, using DRAWS for just going from a radio to Allstar is seriously limiting the power and capabilities of the board. A URIx would be easier, since it's the right tools for the job kind of thing. Plus, it's cheaper than a DRAWS board.

Steve KC1AWV


On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 10:24 PM Anthony Leeser <tagtynee@...> wrote:

Hello Christopher 

That's a very good question. I've been working on that for sometime. I didn't want to tie up and dedicate a RPi solely for Allstar. I wanted to do HF digital as well. I've been working on this project for about a year. The introduction of DRAWS changed my entire build... ugh. Unless I overlooked a possible workaround, only thing I haven't tried was requesting to get the Allstar software without the attached operating system. If that's possible, I don't see why DRAWS and Allstar can't be friendly neighbors one one operating system.

Tony
AG7GF 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher AI6KG <ch@...>
Date: 6/2/19 5:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [udrc] DRAWS and Allstar?

Has anyone gotten Allstar running with DRAWS (or UDRC)?    I saw the thread re: URI but my aim is to use DRAWS rather than URI.

-christopher.

73 de AI6KG

Re: DRAWS and Allstar?

Anthony Leeser
 

Steve,

Hmmm...the thought of the DRAWS board providing Allstar capabilities wasn't thought of. I would just be satisfied if they can both run on one operating system/RPi.

There's so many unanswered questions that haven't yet been answered and to add  Allstar or any other experiments to DRAWS is too early, in my oppinion, until it's perfected. Kinda like putting the horse in front of the cart?

I've given up on the DRAWS. I don't know what I'm doing. Instructions are vague unless we're Linux geeks. Linux geek I'm not.

Tony
AG7GF 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Steve KC1AWV <smiller@...>
Date: 6/2/19 8:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [udrc] DRAWS and Allstar?

"Allstar without the attached OS" is just Asterisk with app_rpt. Asterisk runs on many OSes - Linux, BSD, Windows, etc... Just need to compile it with app_rpt.

Allstar takes it a step further, building a network on top of Asterisk and app_rpt. They provide a distribution of Debian with Asterisk and app_rpt pre compiled, with all the heavy lifting and configuration already done. You could do it all yourself, but why when you can save time with the distro?

The issue I see is not with the Allstar distribution, but rather getting DRAWS to show up as a compatible device for app_rpt. The URIx and other similar radio interface were specifically designed for Allstar, IRLP and the like.

A driver may be needed for use with Allstar. If this is something that a lot of people are interested in, I could take a stab at it. Just need to dedicate the time and a board. Though, I feel that the exercise may be a little in vain, using DRAWS for just going from a radio to Allstar is seriously limiting the power and capabilities of the board. A URIx would be easier, since it's the right tools for the job kind of thing. Plus, it's cheaper than a DRAWS board.

Steve KC1AWV


On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 10:24 PM Anthony Leeser <tagtynee@...> wrote:

Hello Christopher 

That's a very good question. I've been working on that for sometime. I didn't want to tie up and dedicate a RPi solely for Allstar. I wanted to do HF digital as well. I've been working on this project for about a year. The introduction of DRAWS changed my entire build... ugh. Unless I overlooked a possible workaround, only thing I haven't tried was requesting to get the Allstar software without the attached operating system. If that's possible, I don't see why DRAWS and Allstar can't be friendly neighbors one one operating system.

Tony
AG7GF 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher AI6KG <ch@...>
Date: 6/2/19 5:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [udrc] DRAWS and Allstar?

Has anyone gotten Allstar running with DRAWS (or UDRC)?    I saw the thread re: URI but my aim is to use DRAWS rather than URI.

-christopher.

73 de AI6KG

Re: DRAWS and Allstar?

Steve KC1AWV
 

"Allstar without the attached OS" is just Asterisk with app_rpt. Asterisk runs on many OSes - Linux, BSD, Windows, etc... Just need to compile it with app_rpt.

Allstar takes it a step further, building a network on top of Asterisk and app_rpt. They provide a distribution of Debian with Asterisk and app_rpt pre compiled, with all the heavy lifting and configuration already done. You could do it all yourself, but why when you can save time with the distro?

The issue I see is not with the Allstar distribution, but rather getting DRAWS to show up as a compatible device for app_rpt. The URIx and other similar radio interface were specifically designed for Allstar, IRLP and the like.

A driver may be needed for use with Allstar. If this is something that a lot of people are interested in, I could take a stab at it. Just need to dedicate the time and a board. Though, I feel that the exercise may be a little in vain, using DRAWS for just going from a radio to Allstar is seriously limiting the power and capabilities of the board. A URIx would be easier, since it's the right tools for the job kind of thing. Plus, it's cheaper than a DRAWS board.

Steve KC1AWV


On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 10:24 PM Anthony Leeser <tagtynee@...> wrote:

Hello Christopher 

That's a very good question. I've been working on that for sometime. I didn't want to tie up and dedicate a RPi solely for Allstar. I wanted to do HF digital as well. I've been working on this project for about a year. The introduction of DRAWS changed my entire build... ugh. Unless I overlooked a possible workaround, only thing I haven't tried was requesting to get the Allstar software without the attached operating system. If that's possible, I don't see why DRAWS and Allstar can't be friendly neighbors one one operating system.

Tony
AG7GF 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher AI6KG <ch@...>
Date: 6/2/19 5:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [udrc] DRAWS and Allstar?

Has anyone gotten Allstar running with DRAWS (or UDRC)?    I saw the thread re: URI but my aim is to use DRAWS rather than URI.

-christopher.

73 de AI6KG

Re: DRAWS and Allstar?

Anthony Leeser
 


Hello Christopher 

That's a very good question. I've been working on that for sometime. I didn't want to tie up and dedicate a RPi solely for Allstar. I wanted to do HF digital as well. I've been working on this project for about a year. The introduction of DRAWS changed my entire build... ugh. Unless I overlooked a possible workaround, only thing I haven't tried was requesting to get the Allstar software without the attached operating system. If that's possible, I don't see why DRAWS and Allstar can't be friendly neighbors one one operating system.

Tony
AG7GF 


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher AI6KG <ch@...>
Date: 6/2/19 5:02 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: [udrc] DRAWS and Allstar?

Has anyone gotten Allstar running with DRAWS (or UDRC)?    I saw the thread re: URI but my aim is to use DRAWS rather than URI.

-christopher.

73 de AI6KG

Re: JS8 and draws

Douglas
 

My current audio settings are
 ===== ALSA Controls for Radio Transmit =====
LO Driver Gain  L:[-6.00dB] R:[-6.00dB]
PCM         L:[-25.00dB] R:[-25.00dB]
DAC Playback PT L:[PTM_P3] R:[PTM_P1]
LO Playback CM [Full Chip CM]
 
 ===== ALSA Controls for Radio Receive =====
ADC Level L:[0.00dB] R:[0.00dB]
IN1 L:[Off] R:[Off]
IN2 L:[10 kOhm] R:[10 kOhm]
CM L:[10 kOhm] R:[10 kOhm]
 

DRAWS and Allstar?

Christopher AI6KG
 

Has anyone gotten Allstar running with DRAWS (or UDRC)?    I saw the thread re: URI but my aim is to use DRAWS rather than URI.

-christopher.

73 de AI6KG

NVIDIA Jetson Nano and DRAWS

Edward Seeliger
 

Has anyone tried to use the DRAWS board with an NVIDIA Jetson Nano board - it has an ARM processor and a 40 pin GPIO output that is equivalent to that on the RPi. It runs a version of Ubuntu 18.04 Linux.
Edd - KD5M

Re: Kx3 IQ and draws #kx3

 

The DRAWS™ HAT has two mono radio interfaces, they are the left and right channels of a single sound chip. 


On Thu, May 30, 2019, 18:41 Jeff Scaparra <jeff@...> wrote:
New here but considering making my own PX3 that can also do wsjt-x fldigi etc... My understanding is that the draws hat has two stereo ADCs and I am hoping that I can use one for I/Q panadapter stuff and one for sound in for digital modes. Is there also a sound out? What is the bitrate as this would affect the bandwidth of the panadapter. 

Jeff

Kx3 IQ and draws #kx3

Jeff Scaparra
 

New here but considering making my own PX3 that can also do wsjt-x fldigi etc... My understanding is that the draws hat has two stereo ADCs and I am hoping that I can use one for I/Q panadapter stuff and one for sound in for digital modes. Is there also a sound out? What is the bitrate as this would affect the bandwidth of the panadapter. 

Jeff

Re: JS8 and draws

Basil Gunn
 

There is a new script in n7nix/bin/ptt_ctrl.sh that can be used in the
JS8Call radio configuration PTT command. It is used like this:

# For left connector
ptt_ctrl.sh -l on
ptt_ctrl.sh -l off
# Display state of ptt gpio
ptt_ctrl.sh -l -c

# For right connector
ptt_ctrl.sh -r on
ptt_ctrl.sh -r off
# Display state of ptt gpio
ptt_ctrl.sh -r -c

# To display all command line options
ptt_ctrl.sh -h

# To install
cd
cd n7nix
git pull
cd config
./bin_refresh.sh

# Assuming left connector is used, this is what the JS8Call PTT command
would look like:

ptt_ctrl.sh -l %1

/Basil


John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> writes:

Jordan says " There is GPIO support via an external PTT script. You
can learn more in the "Radio (CAT and PTT control)" section of the
documentation: https://docs. google.com/document/d/
159S4wqMUVdMA7qBgaSWmU- iDI4C9wd4CuWnetN68O9U/edit#
heading=h.5xqo9txkzgxf " (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/159S4wqMUVdMA7qBgaSWmU-iDI4C9wd4CuWnetN68O9U/edit#heading=h.5xqo9txkzgxf
)

Best,
Jordan / KN4CRD"

Re: Switch Audio

Basil Gunn
 

Cut & paste the console output of

aplay -l

Also send the output of

showudrc.sh

/Basil

Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> writes:

For some reason i am back to the same problem, i can't hear anything out of the tv speakers that i use for a monitor. I did the above and nothing seems to work. All the volume controls are up.

Re: Switch Audio

Douglas
 

For some reason i am back to the same problem, i can't hear anything out of the tv speakers that i use for a monitor.  I did the above and nothing seems to work.  All the volume controls are up.

Re: JS8 and draws

Douglas
 

When i open js8call i get the following messages:

  Error in sound output:
   An error occurred opening the audio output device has occurred. 

  Error in sound output:
   Requested output audio format is not supported on this device.

  Error in sound input:
    Requested input audio format is not supported on this device.

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch


On Mon, May 27, 2019, 20:26 Douglas KI7LIK via Groups.Io <KI7LIK.AZ=GMAIL.COM@groups.io> wrote:
Can someone assist me with setting up js8 using my tm g707a u/v transeiver, or point me in the correct direction.

Re: JS8 and draws

Douglas
 

Is there a settings script that i could modify in order to get this working?

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 13:35 John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
The PTT through the 6 pin mini DIN cable is controlled by GPIO.  If a particular software package doesn't support Raspberry Pi GPIO, then another method needs to be selected (VOX, CAT, etc.) -- You might contact the author (KN4CRD) and see if he is interested and willing to add GPIO support.  


On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 6:24 AM Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> wrote:
The only other ports on the radio are for the external speaker and mic.

Using only the cord that came with the draws, i tried setting up js8 and js8 says it's transmitting but the radio does nothing.  I manually dialed the radio to the aprs frequency. 



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Re: JS8 and draws

Douglas
 

Its not even showing it's recieving a  signal even though the radio is recieving.

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:33 Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...> wrote:
Are you "hearing" any signals -- either over the air on the radio speaker... or seeing anything decoded in the software?

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:32 PM Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> wrote:
I am not sure if the software is setup properly.  I don't have an hf rig as of yet at least until i upgrade my license in july.

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:28 Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...> wrote:
Oh, you're on a 2m rig... I'm currently having lots of fun with that.  You've got a 6pin port on the front of that rig though... so does that port do PTT?  If not, you'll need to come up with either a VOX or PTT solution.

I'm also fooling with a Kenwood trying to solve this problem currently.  Your software is probably setup properly already.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:24 AM Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> wrote:
The only other ports on the radio are for the external speaker and mic.

Using only the cord that came with the draws, i tried setting up js8 and js8 says it's transmitting but the radio does nothing.  I manually dialed the radio to the aprs frequency. 

Re: JS8 and draws

Douglas
 

In the settings of JS8, what do i need to change.

I have a lot of learning to do.

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 14:15 John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
Jordan says "There is GPIO support via an external PTT script. You can learn more in the "Radio (CAT and PTT control)" section of the documentation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/159S4wqMUVdMA7qBgaSWmU-iDI4C9wd4CuWnetN68O9U/edit#heading=h.5xqo9txkzgxf "
 
Best,
Jordan / KN4CRD"

Re: JS8 and draws

 

Jordan says "There is GPIO support via an external PTT script. You can learn more in the "Radio (CAT and PTT control)" section of the documentation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/159S4wqMUVdMA7qBgaSWmU-iDI4C9wd4CuWnetN68O9U/edit#heading=h.5xqo9txkzgxf "
 
Best,
Jordan / KN4CRD"

Re: JS8 and draws

 

The PTT through the 6 pin mini DIN cable is controlled by GPIO.  If a particular software package doesn't support Raspberry Pi GPIO, then another method needs to be selected (VOX, CAT, etc.) -- You might contact the author (KN4CRD) and see if he is interested and willing to add GPIO support.  


On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 6:24 AM Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> wrote:
The only other ports on the radio are for the external speaker and mic.

Using only the cord that came with the draws, i tried setting up js8 and js8 says it's transmitting but the radio does nothing.  I manually dialed the radio to the aprs frequency. 



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Re: JS8 and draws

Douglas
 

After my net tonight, I will be checking all that.   I haven't been able to as of yet.

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch


On Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:33 Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...> wrote:
Are you "hearing" any signals -- either over the air on the radio speaker... or seeing anything decoded in the software?

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:32 PM Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> wrote:
I am not sure if the software is setup properly.  I don't have an hf rig as of yet at least until i upgrade my license in july.

KI7LIK
Granada Estates Neighborhood Watch

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 11:28 Steve McGrane <temporarilyoffline@...> wrote:
Oh, you're on a 2m rig... I'm currently having lots of fun with that.  You've got a 6pin port on the front of that rig though... so does that port do PTT?  If not, you'll need to come up with either a VOX or PTT solution.

I'm also fooling with a Kenwood trying to solve this problem currently.  Your software is probably setup properly already.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:24 AM Douglas KI7LIK <KI7LIK.AZ@...> wrote:
The only other ports on the radio are for the external speaker and mic.

Using only the cord that came with the draws, i tried setting up js8 and js8 says it's transmitting but the radio does nothing.  I manually dialed the radio to the aprs frequency. 

Re: error during udrc-dkms

 

It should also be mentioned, you can use apt-get upgrade package-name to upgrade packages without upgrading everything.  Eg. sudo apt-get upgrade nano only upgrades the nano editor (and packages that it depends upon) and will not do a general upgrade.

The general rule of thumb should be to only upgrade when needed, eg. to address a bug/new feature or security issue, not just because there is a newer version.



On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:33 AM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

On the systems I have tried to do the apt-get upgrade, the kernel
upgrade failed ... which is a good thing. The 4.14.98-v7+ kernel is
working fine for me on those systems.  What I'm saying is if you try to
do an apt-get upgrade it is not catastrophic. The kernel upgrade should
fail & you will be left with a working system.

I will let you know when an 'apt-get upgrade' is working as expected.
I am thinking this will be several months out. A patch must be accepted
in the Linux kernel (see kernel.org) and then Raspbian will choose a
kernel to include in their distribution.

/Basil
Steve, N9VW <steve@...> writes:

> Basil,
> It seems that I was bitten by the upgrade issue as well. Will a notice
> be sent out to all when it is safe to do an "apt-get upgrade" on the system?
>
> Thanks
> Steve, N9VW
>
> On 5/28/2019 10:02 PM, Basil Gunn wrote:
>> Bernard,
>>
>> The tlv320aic3204 driver in the 4.19.42 kernel will NOT work
>> reliably. You need to stick with the  4.14.98 kernel until all of Anna's
>> patches work their way into the main stream kernel.
>>
>>  From  Anna:
>>
>>> ALSA changed the API to some of their calls, and the old TLV320 driver
>>> doesn’t have the calls.  The new TLV320 driver is in the Raspbian
>>> kernel, but it won’t work reliably until I get the final patch pushed
>>> in the kernel.
>> Do NOT do an apt-get upgrade for a while until this gets fixed.
>> I have taken apt-get upgrade out of prog_refresh.sh script.
>>
>> /Basil
>>
>> f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:
>>
>>> Here are my Compass beta 13 current software versions:
>>>
>>> Linux compass-f6bvp 4.14.98-v7+ #1200 SMP Tue Feb 12 20:27:48 GMT 2019
>>> armv7l GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> Gnu C                  6.3.0
>>> Gnu make               4.1
>>> binutils               2.28
>>> util-linux             2.29.2
>>> mount                  debug
>>> module-init-tools      23
>>> e2fsprogs              1.43.4
>>> Linux C Library        2.24
>>> Dynamic linker (ldd)   2.24
>>> Net-tools              2.10-alpha
>>> Kbd                    2.0.3
>>> Sh-utils               8.26
>>> wireless-tools         30
>>> Modules Loaded         fuse rfcomm bnep hci_uart btbcm serdev bluetooth
>>> ecdh_generic pps_ldisc xt_tcpudp ip6table_filter ip6_tables
>>> iptable_filter joydev evdev ads1015 sg hwmon sc16is7xx tlv320aic32x4_i2c
>>> uas tlv320aic32x4 brcmfmac brcmutil cfg80211 rfkill udrc
>>> snd_soc_bcm2835_i2s snd_soc_core snd_compress snd_pcm_dmaengine snd_pcm
>>> snd_timer snd i2c_bcm2835 pps_gpio pps_core uio_pdrv_genirq fixed uio
>>> ax25 i2c_dev ip_tables x_tables ipv6
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE