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Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Corky
 

Looking at Basil's response, I think he found the problem. With the IC-7000 the audio is very sensitive, but the HF and VHF paths are very different. The gain setting for HF will likely not provide sufficient audio for direwolf, so indeed it may need to return to P3 when using VHF.

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM

On 9/13/20 2:55 PM, Basil Gunn wrote:
Mark J Culross <mjculross@sbcglobal.net> writes:

Basil (n7nix):
Thanks for your advice. I believe that I understand all of your
instructions & have executed them as directed, but APRS RX is still
not working.
In a console run this command:

tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log

In another window run alsamixer for the udrc sound device
Increase the ADC level control until you see packets arriving in
direwolf.log

If you are NOT able to see packets in the direwolf log file then confirm
that BOTH your radio & DRAWS hat are using pin 5 (AF) of the mDin6 connector,
ie. 1200 baud receive.

To confirm the DRAWS hat config assuming you are using the left mDin6
connector run 'alsa-show.sh'. You should see:

IN1 L:[Off]
IN2 L:[10 kOhms]


I did find that I could make quicker modifications of the
connections/resistors using the DRAWS Manager selection for the desired
audio pin . . . does that have the same effect as the changes you
described & is it OK to use the DRAWS Manager to switch between
resistors connected to IN1_L & IN2_L ??
As long as you confirm changes with alsa-show.sh

As Corky suggested, I tested the receive path using fldigi (after
stopping AX25/direwolf) & BTW, I also had to manually install libjpeg
for fldigi to work,
libjpeg is installed on the image. If you ever run 'sudo apt autoremove'
it will be removed and you will have to reinstall it.

even though I am using the latest image (I found your reply with
instructions elsewhere on the forum). Using the waterfall display in
fldigi (with the radio still on 144.390), I did confirm that audio is
present on both pins (4/DISC & 5/AF) from the IC-7000 in VHF/FM
mode. Using either pin (4/5), I see the waterfall change whenever I
hear a packet on the radio & the waterfall goes completely blank as
expected when I select "OFF" for the left side DIN6 audio pin (udr0).
As I mentioned to Corky, I have not yet done anything with the
transmit path, other than cause a test position message to be sent to
verify PTT functionality. For now, I'm just concentrating on trying to
get RX of APRS to work, since I really thought that would be the easy
case !!
It should be easy. But each radio needs to be configured and the ALSA
settings need to match and that, I think, is where your problem lies.

You also might change your DAC Playback PT back to default.
DAC Playback PT L:[P3] R:[P3]

Make sure the radio receive preamp is turned off.
P.AMP/ATT button to left of screen

Mark J CulrossKD5RXT
On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 2:08:08 PM CDT, Basil Gunn <basil@pacabunga.com> wrote:


First thanks for all the console output.

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector
(udr0). I also ran the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" setup script.
This could be your problem since that script tries to set up deviation
for the HF radio. You need to set deviation for the VHF/UHF radio in the
IC-7000. I would turn off discriminator receiver routing and turn on
compensated audio. I am not sure if the IC-7000 radio supports
discriminator out for vhf.

This is what you currently have, set by the setalsa script.

IN1 L:[10 kOhm] R:[10 kOhm]
IN2 L:[Off] R:[Off]

You want to flip these controls for Left channel manually. ie. turn off
IN1 & have 10 kOhm for IN2.

Run alsamixer from a console
press F6, select sound card
- select udrc
scroll to the right until you find:
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that off by typing <down-arrow>

Continue scrolling to the right until you find:
IN2_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that ON by typing <up-arrow> once only

exit to save new settings

Be aware that there are both positive & negative resister controls ie.
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [Off]
IN1_L to Right Mixer Negative Resistor [Off]

You only want to set Left Mixer Positive Resistor control.

Verify by running alsa-show.sh

You need to confirm your deviation.

Go to this link
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/tree/master/deviation

This will lead you through how to output a steady audio tone that you will
monitor with an HT or some other radio in your shack.
Be sure to read the John Ackermann N8UR link.

/Basil n7nix






Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Corky
 

Update on discriminator below.

Thanks,
-Corky

On 9/13/20 12:08 PM, Basil Gunn wrote:

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM

First thanks for all the console output.

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector
(udr0). I also ran the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" setup script.
This could be your problem since that script tries to set up deviation
for the HF radio. You need to set deviation for the VHF/UHF radio in the
IC-7000. I would turn off discriminator receiver routing and turn on
compensated audio. I am not sure if the IC-7000 radio supports
discriminator out for vhf.
 (it does)
This is what you currently have, set by the setalsa script.

IN1 L:[10 kOhm] R:[10 kOhm]
IN2 L:[Off] R:[Off]

You want to flip these controls for Left channel manually. ie. turn off
IN1 & have 10 kOhm for IN2.

Run alsamixer from a console
press F6, select sound card
- select udrc
scroll to the right until you find:
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that off by typing <down-arrow>

Continue scrolling to the right until you find:
IN2_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that ON by typing <up-arrow> once only

exit to save new settings

Be aware that there are both positive & negative resister controls ie.
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [Off]
IN1_L to Right Mixer Negative Resistor [Off]

You only want to set Left Mixer Positive Resistor control.

Verify by running alsa-show.sh

You need to confirm your deviation.

Go to this link
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/tree/master/deviation

This will lead you through how to output a steady audio tone that you will
monitor with an HT or some other radio in your shack.
Be sure to read the John Ackermann N8UR link.

/Basil n7nix


Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Basil Gunn
 

Mark J Culross <mjculross@sbcglobal.net> writes:

Basil (n7nix):
Thanks for your advice. I believe that I understand all of your
instructions & have executed them as directed, but APRS RX is still
not working.
In a console run this command:

tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log

In another window run alsamixer for the udrc sound device
Increase the ADC level control until you see packets arriving in
direwolf.log

If you are NOT able to see packets in the direwolf log file then confirm
that BOTH your radio & DRAWS hat are using pin 5 (AF) of the mDin6 connector,
ie. 1200 baud receive.

To confirm the DRAWS hat config assuming you are using the left mDin6
connector run 'alsa-show.sh'. You should see:

IN1 L:[Off]
IN2 L:[10 kOhms]


I did find that I could make quicker modifications of the
connections/resistors using the DRAWS Manager selection for the desired
audio pin . . . does that have the same effect as the changes you
described & is it OK to use the DRAWS Manager to switch between
resistors connected to IN1_L & IN2_L ??
As long as you confirm changes with alsa-show.sh

As Corky suggested, I tested the receive path using fldigi (after
stopping AX25/direwolf) & BTW, I also had to manually install libjpeg
for fldigi to work,
libjpeg is installed on the image. If you ever run 'sudo apt autoremove'
it will be removed and you will have to reinstall it.

even though I am using the latest image (I found your reply with
instructions elsewhere on the forum). Using the waterfall display in
fldigi (with the radio still on 144.390), I did confirm that audio is
present on both pins (4/DISC & 5/AF) from the IC-7000 in VHF/FM
mode. Using either pin (4/5), I see the waterfall change whenever I
hear a packet on the radio & the waterfall goes completely blank as
expected when I select "OFF" for the left side DIN6 audio pin (udr0).
As I mentioned to Corky, I have not yet done anything with the
transmit path, other than cause a test position message to be sent to
verify PTT functionality. For now, I'm just concentrating on trying to
get RX of APRS to work, since I really thought that would be the easy
case !!
It should be easy. But each radio needs to be configured and the ALSA
settings need to match and that, I think, is where your problem lies.

You also might change your DAC Playback PT back to default.
DAC Playback PT L:[P3] R:[P3]

Make sure the radio receive preamp is turned off.
P.AMP/ATT button to left of screen

Mark J CulrossKD5RXT
On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 2:08:08 PM CDT, Basil Gunn <basil@pacabunga.com> wrote:


First thanks for all the console output.

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector
(udr0). I also ran the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" setup script.
This could be your problem since that script tries to set up deviation
for the HF radio. You need to set deviation for the VHF/UHF radio in the
IC-7000. I would turn off discriminator receiver routing and turn on
compensated audio. I am not sure if the IC-7000 radio supports
discriminator out for vhf.

This is what you currently have, set by the setalsa script.

IN1 L:[10 kOhm] R:[10 kOhm]
IN2 L:[Off] R:[Off]

You want to flip these controls for Left channel manually. ie. turn off
IN1 & have 10 kOhm for IN2.

Run alsamixer from a console
press F6, select sound card
- select udrc
scroll to the right until you find:
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that off by typing <down-arrow>

Continue scrolling to the right until you find:
IN2_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that ON by typing <up-arrow> once only

exit to save new settings

Be aware that there are both positive & negative resister controls ie.
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [Off]
IN1_L to Right Mixer Negative Resistor [Off]

You only want to set Left Mixer Positive Resistor control.

Verify by running alsa-show.sh

You need to confirm your deviation.

Go to this link
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/tree/master/deviation

This will lead you through how to output a steady audio tone that you will
monitor with an HT or some other radio in your shack.
Be sure to read the John Ackermann N8UR link.

/Basil n7nix






Re: Fans, Pi4, and the DRAWS case

Kevin K. - N7KJK
 

Tim, 
Not sure this is what you're looking for.   I've created something here for my two DRAWS implementations. 
One is a PI 3 running an RMS Gateway.  The other is a PI 4 that I am going to use for APRS tracking and beacon. 

The image is kind of at a weird angle because I wanted to show the DRAWS connections, the PI 4 connections, and one of the FANs..  (yes dual fan.. spared no expense. :)

I purchase two of the stacked acrylic PI case kits for each project  (about $15 each with fan, no power supply). 
I added a separator to the GPIO so that the DRAWs stands away from the PI but almost a full inch.  This allows me to put all the heat syncs on the PI.  Put a fan just above the PI,  connect the DRAWS and put a second fan above it (visible in the picture).   It takes some patients, and a little skill with a dremel tool. I just customized the layers of the second case as I assembled it to accommodate the DRAWS.  Then I go buy some longer screws to bolt it all together.  The modifications, and various openings in the layers allow for sufficient air flow.

I also made a watch battery replacement connector out of a thumb tack, and washer, so that I could set up a  pair of AAA batteries to the DRAWS clock (I didn't want to risk soldering on the DRAWS).
  
Both systems seem to be working just fine.   I connect the two fans to the 5 V offered on Pins 1 and 8 on that connector next to the power input.  NOTE:   I'm using two .10 amp fans to stay under the limit of the 5 v power which is .25  (250mA).

Hope this gives you something to consider.

Kevin

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 11:24 AM Tim Huffaker <thuffaker@...> wrote:

I want to move to the RPi4 for its much better Bluetooth operations along with more memory. The heat is a real problem that is worse in outdoor operation and in go boxes. A temperature controlled fan with heatsyncs will allow it to work. The question is how to let this work with the draws board?  

I hope we can find a solution. 

Tim



--
Kevin J. Kutzera CISSP, CISM, CEH
Cell: 206-850-7762


Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Mark J Culross
 

Basil (n7nix):

Thanks for your advice.  I believe that I understand all of your instructions & have executed them as directed, but APRS RX is still not working.  I did find that I could make quicker modifications of the connections/resistors using the DRAWS Manager selection for the desired audio pin . . . does that have the same effect as the changes you described & is it OK to use the DRAWS Manager to switch between resistors connected to IN1_L & IN2_L ??

As Corky suggested, I tested the receive path using fldigi (after stopping AX25/direwolf) & BTW, I also had to manually install libjpeg for fldigi to work, even though I am using the latest image (I found your reply with instructions elsewhere on the forum).  Using the waterfall display in fldigi (with the radio still on 144.390), I did confirm that audio is present on both pins (4/DISC & 5/AF) from the IC-7000 in VHF/FM mode.  Using either pin (4/5), I see the waterfall change whenever I hear a packet on the radio & the waterfall goes completely blank as expected when I select "OFF" for the left side DIN6 audio pin (udr0).

As I mentioned to Corky, I have not yet done anything with the transmit path, other than cause a test position message to be sent to verify PTT functionality.  For now, I'm just concentrating on trying to get RX of APRS to work, since I really thought that would be the easy case !!

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT

On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 2:08:08 PM CDT, Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:



First thanks for all the console output.

> The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector
> (udr0). I also ran the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" setup script.

This could be your problem since that script tries to set up deviation
for the HF radio. You need to set deviation for the VHF/UHF radio in the
IC-7000. I would turn off discriminator receiver routing and turn on
compensated audio. I am not sure if the IC-7000 radio supports
discriminator out for vhf.

This is what you currently have, set by the setalsa script.

IN1        L:[10 kOhm]    R:[10 kOhm]
IN2        L:[Off]        R:[Off]

You want to flip these controls for Left channel manually. ie. turn off
IN1 & have 10 kOhm for IN2.

Run alsamixer from a console
press F6, select sound card
  - select udrc
scroll to the right until you find:
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
  - turn that off by typing <down-arrow>

Continue scrolling to the right until you find:
IN2_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
  - turn that ON by typing <up-arrow> once only

exit to save new settings

Be aware that there are both positive & negative resister controls ie.
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [Off]
IN1_L to Right Mixer Negative Resistor [Off]

You only want to set Left Mixer Positive Resistor control.

Verify by running alsa-show.sh

You need to confirm your deviation.

Go to this link
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/tree/master/deviation

This will lead you through how to output a steady audio tone that you will
monitor with an HT or some other radio in your shack.
Be sure to read the John Ackermann N8UR link.

/Basil n7nix




Re: #draws Receive audio through IC-880H now has added noise while DRAWS is connected to it ... #draws

Hoop K9QJS
 

An update on my post: I have been able to make the problem go away, the problem of “added noise to receive audio through the ID-880H” when the DRAWS card was connected to the radio.  Not completely sure why but I am happy with the result. 

I burned a new version 17 image and corrected some mistakes I had made earlier.   

At Basil’s suggestion, I went in and played with alsamixer: I muted the UDR0 channel then adjusted it back to a medium volume level. 

Now, as long as AX25 and FLDIGI are not running, there is no longer added noise on the ID-880H receive audio. 

Thanks to Bryan, who pointed to a place to look.  

73
Hoop
K9QJS 



On Sep 11, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Hoop K9QJS via groups.io <jkhpr01@...> wrote:

Bryan

Thanks.  

No, I did not use alsamixer.   I am pretty good about always closing FLDIGI when finished with it, and I don’t bring up a terminal window to try to do anything else when FLDIGI is running.

I have to confess that I don’t use alsamixer at all and don’t fully understand it. 

Hoop



On Sep 11, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:

Did you by chance use alsamixer while FLDIGI was running?

That is known to corrupt the CODEC settings to the point where you need to start with a fresh build.

Bryan K7UDR

On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Hoop K9QJS via groups.io <jkhpr01@...> wrote:

Something changed and I don't know what it is.   I've had my DRAWS board for quite awhile now and it has worked great, running beta 11 software and using DRAWS card for VHF FSQ, packet for bulletin board pickup, and VHF Winlink.

It used to be that IC-880H receive audio, when AC25 was not running and when RPi instance of FLDIGI was not running, was fine and unaffected.   Now, under those same circumstances, receive audio has a hashy-sounding interference and audio volume is reduced, to the point of intelligibility on some repeaters.  Before, when AC25 was running or FLDIGI was running, I had that same interference.  Turning them off eliminated the problem.

Now, hashy-sounding interference and reduced audio volume on the IC-880H are constant whenever the DRAWS card is simply connected by cable (6 pin mini-DIN to 6 pin mini-DIN).   Disconnet the cable from DRAWS and the receive audio problem goes away. 

Also having other symptoms:  I can connect to a TNC-based bulletin board fine on UDR0 or UDR1 using the IC-880H and DR-235 respectively.  FLDIGI running FSQ appears to work fine using the IC-880H.  I am not able, however, to have successful Winlink gateway exchanges on either port.  

I burned a version 17 and symptoms are pretty much the same.

Any ideas as to what I might have changed?

73
Hoop K9QJS




Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Basil Gunn
 

First thanks for all the console output.

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector
(udr0). I also ran the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" setup script.
This could be your problem since that script tries to set up deviation
for the HF radio. You need to set deviation for the VHF/UHF radio in the
IC-7000. I would turn off discriminator receiver routing and turn on
compensated audio. I am not sure if the IC-7000 radio supports
discriminator out for vhf.

This is what you currently have, set by the setalsa script.

IN1 L:[10 kOhm] R:[10 kOhm]
IN2 L:[Off] R:[Off]

You want to flip these controls for Left channel manually. ie. turn off
IN1 & have 10 kOhm for IN2.

Run alsamixer from a console
press F6, select sound card
- select udrc
scroll to the right until you find:
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that off by typing <down-arrow>

Continue scrolling to the right until you find:
IN2_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [10 kOhm]
- turn that ON by typing <up-arrow> once only

exit to save new settings

Be aware that there are both positive & negative resister controls ie.
IN1_L to Left Mixer Positive Resistor [Off]
IN1_L to Right Mixer Negative Resistor [Off]

You only want to set Left Mixer Positive Resistor control.

Verify by running alsa-show.sh

You need to confirm your deviation.

Go to this link
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/tree/master/deviation

This will lead you through how to output a steady audio tone that you will
monitor with an HT or some other radio in your shack.
Be sure to read the John Ackermann N8UR link.

/Basil n7nix


Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Mark J Culross
 

Corky (AF4PM):

Thanks again for your follow-up.  My answers/comments are embedded below within [brackets].

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT


On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 1:13:05 PM CDT, Corky Searls <af4pm@...> wrote:


Mark, yes the script is set up for IN2 as the primary use for the IC-7000 was for HF. It has been a while since I used it for VHF with the DRAWS and I have not tried the latest image. Not sure I will have time this week to test, but will try.  [ HF apps is my intended use for the IC-7000 + DRAWS as well. ]

As a check, perhaps you can use the setalsq-ic-7000.sh script and run fldigi to make sure that you are receiving audio on the waterfall. This at least confirm that the audio chain is working. You will need to shut down ax25 with the script prior to running fldigi.  [ Good suggestion !!  I will give that a try, & post back here with how it goes . . . thanks. ]

Are you able to decode the APRS message sent via the IC-7000? [ I am able to visually see my transmission on my SDR, but none of my test position transmissions have shown up on aprs.fi so far.  Note that I have not done anything to try & tune/adjust that output, as I thought I'd try what should have been the easy case (RX) first !!.]

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Mark J Culross wrote:

Corky (AF4PM):

Thanks for your reply.  I did try combinations of turning 9600 on/off on the radio, along with setting pin 4(DESC) / pin 5(AF) in DRAWS manager, all with no detectable difference in decoding.

I found reports in the forum of better decoding using the discriminator pin.  However, by default, the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" script deactivates the "IN1" inputs (9600/discriminator) & activates the "IN2" inputs (1200/AF).  I temporarily modified the script to reverse this, again with no detectable difference in behavior.

The <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/8992> reference gives a nice interconnection diagram with a great explanation of the hardware plumbing.

Thanks again for your reply !!

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT


On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 12:05:33 PM CDT, Corky Searls <af4pm@...> wrote:


Mark, a quick question regarding the IC-7000 config. Do you have this set for 1200 baud or 9K6? You will need to make sure that you are listening to the correct pin on the mini-din connector.

I believe the default for AX25 is the 9k6 pin, so you may need to set the radio to 9k6 (this just provides audio directly from the discriminator and does not really affect the actual baud rate)

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mark J Culross wrote:
I finally found some time to play with my new DRAWS (attached to RPi3B+, running current image dated 2020-Aug-22), but I've run into a roadbock.

To start, I followed <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/DRAWS%3A-Image-getting-started>

I then followed <https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/docs/VERIFY_CONFIG.md>

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector (udr0).  I also ran the setalsa-ic7000.sh setup script.

I've attached output files with the results from the following commands:
- ax25-status
- ax25-status -d
- ax25-showcfg.sh
- alsa-show.sh

I have run each of the following at the root command line, but other than showing when I send a test position message using btest.sh, none of them show any indication of any APRS decoding (although I am tuned to 144.390 & can hear lots of packet activity from the radio):
- tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log
- listen -a -h -i -p udr0 -r -t
- mheard

Any suggestion on what to check next ??

Thanks in advance,

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT

Attachments:
  • ax25-status.out
  • ax25-status-d.out
  • ax25-showcfg.out
  • alsa-show.out




Re: Fans, Pi4, and the DRAWS case

Tim Huffaker
 

I want to move to the RPi4 for its much better Bluetooth operations along with more memory. The heat is a real problem that is worse in outdoor operation and in go boxes. A temperature controlled fan with heatsyncs will allow it to work. The question is how to let this work with the draws board?  

I hope we can find a solution. 

Tim


Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Corky
 

Mark, yes the script is set up for IN2 as the primary use for the IC-7000 was for HF. It has been a while since I used it for VHF with the DRAWS and I have not tried the latest image. Not sure I will have time this week to test, but will try.

As a check, perhaps you can use the setalsq-ic-7000.sh script and run fldigi to make sure that you are receiving audio on the waterfall. This at least confirm that the audio chain is working. You will need to shut down ax25 with the script prior to running fldigi.

Are you able to decode the APRS message sent via the IC-7000?

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Mark J Culross wrote:

Corky (AF4PM):

Thanks for your reply.  I did try combinations of turning 9600 on/off on the radio, along with setting pin 4(DESC) / pin 5(AF) in DRAWS manager, all with no detectable difference in decoding.

I found reports in the forum of better decoding using the discriminator pin.  However, by default, the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" script deactivates the "IN1" inputs (9600/discriminator) & activates the "IN2" inputs (1200/AF).  I temporarily modified the script to reverse this, again with no detectable difference in behavior.

The <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/8992> reference gives a nice interconnection diagram with a great explanation of the hardware plumbing.

Thanks again for your reply !!

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT


On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 12:05:33 PM CDT, Corky Searls <af4pm@...> wrote:


Mark, a quick question regarding the IC-7000 config. Do you have this set for 1200 baud or 9K6? You will need to make sure that you are listening to the correct pin on the mini-din connector.

I believe the default for AX25 is the 9k6 pin, so you may need to set the radio to 9k6 (this just provides audio directly from the discriminator and does not really affect the actual baud rate)

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mark J Culross wrote:
I finally found some time to play with my new DRAWS (attached to RPi3B+, running current image dated 2020-Aug-22), but I've run into a roadbock.

To start, I followed <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/DRAWS%3A-Image-getting-started>

I then followed <https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/docs/VERIFY_CONFIG.md>

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector (udr0).  I also ran the setalsa-ic7000.sh setup script.

I've attached output files with the results from the following commands:
- ax25-status
- ax25-status -d
- ax25-showcfg.sh
- alsa-show.sh

I have run each of the following at the root command line, but other than showing when I send a test position message using btest.sh, none of them show any indication of any APRS decoding (although I am tuned to 144.390 & can hear lots of packet activity from the radio):
- tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log
- listen -a -h -i -p udr0 -r -t
- mheard

Any suggestion on what to check next ??

Thanks in advance,

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT

Attachments:
  • ax25-status.out
  • ax25-status-d.out
  • ax25-showcfg.out
  • alsa-show.out




Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Mark J Culross
 

Corky (AF4PM):

Thanks for your reply.  I did try combinations of turning 9600 on/off on the radio, along with setting pin 4(DESC) / pin 5(AF) in DRAWS manager, all with no detectable difference in decoding.

I found reports in the forum of better decoding using the discriminator pin.  However, by default, the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" script deactivates the "IN1" inputs (9600/discriminator) & activates the "IN2" inputs (1200/AF).  I temporarily modified the script to reverse this, again with no detectable difference in behavior.

The <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/8992> reference gives a nice interconnection diagram with a great explanation of the hardware plumbing.

Thanks again for your reply !!

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT


On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 12:05:33 PM CDT, Corky Searls <af4pm@...> wrote:


Mark, a quick question regarding the IC-7000 config. Do you have this set for 1200 baud or 9K6? You will need to make sure that you are listening to the correct pin on the mini-din connector.

I believe the default for AX25 is the 9k6 pin, so you may need to set the radio to 9k6 (this just provides audio directly from the discriminator and does not really affect the actual baud rate)

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mark J Culross wrote:
I finally found some time to play with my new DRAWS (attached to RPi3B+, running current image dated 2020-Aug-22), but I've run into a roadbock.

To start, I followed <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/DRAWS%3A-Image-getting-started>

I then followed <https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/docs/VERIFY_CONFIG.md>

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector (udr0).  I also ran the setalsa-ic7000.sh setup script.

I've attached output files with the results from the following commands:
- ax25-status
- ax25-status -d
- ax25-showcfg.sh
- alsa-show.sh

I have run each of the following at the root command line, but other than showing when I send a test position message using btest.sh, none of them show any indication of any APRS decoding (although I am tuned to 144.390 & can hear lots of packet activity from the radio):
- tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log
- listen -a -h -i -p udr0 -r -t
- mheard

Any suggestion on what to check next ??

Thanks in advance,

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT

Attachments:
  • ax25-status.out
  • ax25-status-d.out
  • ax25-showcfg.out
  • alsa-show.out


Re: DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Corky
 

Mark, a quick question regarding the IC-7000 config. Do you have this set for 1200 baud or 9K6? You will need to make sure that you are listening to the correct pin on the mini-din connector.

I believe the default for AX25 is the 9k6 pin, so you may need to set the radio to 9k6 (this just provides audio directly from the discriminator and does not really affect the actual baud rate)

Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM


On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mark J Culross wrote:
I finally found some time to play with my new DRAWS (attached to RPi3B+, running current image dated 2020-Aug-22), but I've run into a roadbock.

To start, I followed <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/DRAWS%3A-Image-getting-started>

I then followed <https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/docs/VERIFY_CONFIG.md>

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector (udr0).  I also ran the setalsa-ic7000.sh setup script.

I've attached output files with the results from the following commands:
- ax25-status
- ax25-status -d
- ax25-showcfg.sh
- alsa-show.sh

I have run each of the following at the root command line, but other than showing when I send a test position message using btest.sh, none of them show any indication of any APRS decoding (although I am tuned to 144.390 & can hear lots of packet activity from the radio):
- tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log
- listen -a -h -i -p udr0 -r -t
- mheard

Any suggestion on what to check next ??

Thanks in advance,

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT

Attachments:
  • ax25-status.out
  • ax25-status-d.out
  • ax25-showcfg.out
  • alsa-show.out


DRAWS - not able to receive APRS #aprs #ax25 #direwolf

Mark J Culross
 
Edited

I finally found some time to play with my new DRAWS (attached to RPi3B+, running current image dated 2020-Aug-22), but I've run into a roadbock.

To start, I followed <https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/DRAWS%3A-Image-getting-started> - all results were as expected, with no obvious indication of any errors

I then followed <https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/docs/VERIFY_CONFIG.md> - all results were as expected, with no obvious indication of any errors

I did have a little trouble getting the DRAWS manager to run . . . it would start & then exit after about 10-seconds.  Changing to "/usr/local/var/draws-manager" & issuing a "git pull" followed by a reboot straightened that out.

The radio (IC-7000) is attached to the left side DIN6 connector (udr0).  I also ran the "setalsa-ic7000.sh" setup script.

I've attached output files with the results from the following commands:
- ax25-status
- ax25-status -d
- ax25-showcfg.sh
- alsa-show.sh

I have run each of the following at the root command line, but other than showing when I send a test position message using "btest.sh -p -P udr0", none of them show any indication of any APRS decoding (although I am tuned to 144.390 & can hear lots of packet activity from the radio):
- tail -f /var/log/direwolf/direwolf.log
- listen -a -h -i -p udr0 -r -t
- mheard

Any suggestion on what to check next ??

Thanks in advance,

Mark J Culross
KD5RXT


Re: #draws Receive audio through IC-880H now has added noise while DRAWS is connected to it ... #draws

Hoop K9QJS
 

Bryan

Thanks.  

No, I did not use alsamixer.   I am pretty good about always closing FLDIGI when finished with it, and I don’t bring up a terminal window to try to do anything else when FLDIGI is running.

I have to confess that I don’t use alsamixer at all and don’t fully understand it. 

Hoop



On Sep 11, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:

Did you by chance use alsamixer while FLDIGI was running?

That is known to corrupt the CODEC settings to the point where you need to start with a fresh build.

Bryan K7UDR

On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Hoop K9QJS via groups.io <jkhpr01@...> wrote:

Something changed and I don't know what it is.   I've had my DRAWS board for quite awhile now and it has worked great, running beta 11 software and using DRAWS card for VHF FSQ, packet for bulletin board pickup, and VHF Winlink.

It used to be that IC-880H receive audio, when AC25 was not running and when RPi instance of FLDIGI was not running, was fine and unaffected.   Now, under those same circumstances, receive audio has a hashy-sounding interference and audio volume is reduced, to the point of intelligibility on some repeaters.  Before, when AC25 was running or FLDIGI was running, I had that same interference.  Turning them off eliminated the problem.

Now, hashy-sounding interference and reduced audio volume on the IC-880H are constant whenever the DRAWS card is simply connected by cable (6 pin mini-DIN to 6 pin mini-DIN).   Disconnet the cable from DRAWS and the receive audio problem goes away. 

Also having other symptoms:  I can connect to a TNC-based bulletin board fine on UDR0 or UDR1 using the IC-880H and DR-235 respectively.  FLDIGI running FSQ appears to work fine using the IC-880H.  I am not able, however, to have successful Winlink gateway exchanges on either port.  

I burned a version 17 and symptoms are pretty much the same.

Any ideas as to what I might have changed?

73
Hoop K9QJS



Re: #draws Receive audio through IC-880H now has added noise while DRAWS is connected to it ... #draws

Mitch Winkle
 

wow, that explains a LOT

On 9/11/2020 1:31 PM, Bryan Hoyer wrote:
Did you by chance use alsamixer while FLDIGI was running?

That is known to corrupt the CODEC settings to the point where you need to start with a fresh build.

Bryan K7UDR_._,_._,_


Re: #draws Receive audio through IC-880H now has added noise while DRAWS is connected to it ... #draws

 

Did you by chance use alsamixer while FLDIGI was running?

That is known to corrupt the CODEC settings to the point where you need to start with a fresh build.

Bryan K7UDR

On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Hoop K9QJS via groups.io <jkhpr01@...> wrote:

Something changed and I don't know what it is.   I've had my DRAWS board for quite awhile now and it has worked great, running beta 11 software and using DRAWS card for VHF FSQ, packet for bulletin board pickup, and VHF Winlink.

It used to be that IC-880H receive audio, when AC25 was not running and when RPi instance of FLDIGI was not running, was fine and unaffected.   Now, under those same circumstances, receive audio has a hashy-sounding interference and audio volume is reduced, to the point of intelligibility on some repeaters.  Before, when AC25 was running or FLDIGI was running, I had that same interference.  Turning them off eliminated the problem.

Now, hashy-sounding interference and reduced audio volume on the IC-880H are constant whenever the DRAWS card is simply connected by cable (6 pin mini-DIN to 6 pin mini-DIN).   Disconnet the cable from DRAWS and the receive audio problem goes away. 

Also having other symptoms:  I can connect to a TNC-based bulletin board fine on UDR0 or UDR1 using the IC-880H and DR-235 respectively.  FLDIGI running FSQ appears to work fine using the IC-880H.  I am not able, however, to have successful Winlink gateway exchanges on either port.  

I burned a version 17 and symptoms are pretty much the same.

Any ideas as to what I might have changed?

73
Hoop K9QJS


#draws Receive audio through IC-880H now has added noise while DRAWS is connected to it ... #draws

Hoop K9QJS
 

Something changed and I don't know what it is.   I've had my DRAWS board for quite awhile now and it has worked great, running beta 11 software and using DRAWS card for VHF FSQ, packet for bulletin board pickup, and VHF Winlink.

It used to be that IC-880H receive audio, when AC25 was not running and when RPi instance of FLDIGI was not running, was fine and unaffected.   Now, under those same circumstances, receive audio has a hashy-sounding interference and audio volume is reduced, to the point of intelligibility on some repeaters.  Before, when AC25 was running or FLDIGI was running, I had that same interference.  Turning them off eliminated the problem.

Now, hashy-sounding interference and reduced audio volume on the IC-880H are constant whenever the DRAWS card is simply connected by cable (6 pin mini-DIN to 6 pin mini-DIN).   Disconnet the cable from DRAWS and the receive audio problem goes away. 

Also having other symptoms:  I can connect to a TNC-based bulletin board fine on UDR0 or UDR1 using the IC-880H and DR-235 respectively.  FLDIGI running FSQ appears to work fine using the IC-880H.  I am not able, however, to have successful Winlink gateway exchanges on either port.  

I burned a version 17 and symptoms are pretty much the same.

Any ideas as to what I might have changed?

73
Hoop K9QJS


Re: Sending messages Direwolf #direwolf #ax25

Basil Gunn
 

Pleased you have things working! Thanks for posting your success.
/Basil n7nix

Todd via groups.io <ic7461=yahoo.com@groups.io> writes:

Tested sending ax25 messages with Claws and Direwolf, worked terrific. Thanks for all the help.
Todd
AL7PX


Re: Sending messages Direwolf #direwolf #ax25

 

Tested sending ax25 messages with Claws and Direwolf, worked terrific. Thanks for all the help.
Todd
AL7PX 


Re: Sending messages Direwolf #direwolf #ax25

 

Ok, got emails to send using Paclink wl2ktelnet. I gave up with mutt and used Claws. My problem was not knowing the email sits in a outbox after composing. Could never get Mutt to send. Then your command to send with ax25 was very helpful. If there was a description of the sequence would have been helpful with the online procedures. This is the first time I've seen these anywhere. That link was right on the money what I needed. You should include that in the online configuring procedures. Explain how the emails sit in a outbox too.

Send via telnet
wl2ktelnet

Send via ax.25 and radio
wl2ax25 -c <rmsgateway callsign>

Now, I just need to try and send with ax25 using the radio. I'm at work and will have to wait till tomorrow. Probably the last thing to try is Peer to Peer. Any helpful procedures written for that? Many thanks.

Todd
AL7PX






On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 03:32:43 PM AKDT, Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:



Todd via groups.io <ic7461=yahoo.com@groups.io> writes:

> I've got Direwolf recieving ok and I can send a ./btest -p message to
> the local packet station but still *can't* figure out how to connect
> to the Winlink RMS VHF hybrid station to send email via radio.

Reference links:
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/plu/PACLINK-UNIX_INSTALL.md#verify-paclink-unix-using-your-radio-wl2kax25
http://bazaudi.com/plu/doku.php?id=plu:test_verify#wl2kax25_test

Compose winlink message with email client (mutt, claws-mail, rainloop)
Verify that message exists in outbox
chk_perm.sh
or
ls -salt /usr/local/var/wl2k/outbox

Send via telnet
wl2ktelnet

Send via ax.25 and radio
wl2ax25 -c <rmsgateway callsign>

Send via SCS-PTC-IIpro modem
wl2kserial -c <rmsgateway callsign>

These are all console command line programs. There is also a browser
interface for paclink-unix
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/blob/master/plu/PACLINK-UNIX_INSTALL.md#test-plu-web-interface

To get a list of RMS gateway call signs run
rmslist.sh <integer_distance_in_miles> <maidenhead_grid_square>
ie.
$ rmslist.sh 35 cn88nl
Using distance of 35 miles & grid square CN88NL

  Callsign      Frequency  Distance    Baud
KF7FIT-10     223780000    0    1200
N7NIX-10      144910000    0    1200
K7KCA-10      440125000    3    1200
KE7KML-10     223780000    3    1200
AF4PM-10      145690000    4    1200
AE7LW-10      145050000    16    1200
AE7LW-11      440950000    16    1200
KD7X-10      145630000    16    1200
KD7X-11      145630000    16    1200
KI7ULA-10     145050000    16    1200
W7UMX-10      145630000    16    1200
W0QJM-10      145630000    19    1200
WA7GJZ-10     145630000    19    1200
WA7GJZ-10     145630000    19    1200
VE7SEP-10     145690000    23    1200
K6MBY          7103000    26    600
K6MBY-10      145690000    26    1200
NG2G-10      144990000    26    1200
KG7MYX-10     145630000    27    1200
N7FDM-10      145050000    27    1200
N7FDM-10      146438000    27    1200
KB7TEC-10     144990000    28    1200
W7ECG-10      144930000    28    1200
VE7VIC-10     145690000    31    1200
KC7OAS-10     144950000    33    1200
KG7WFV-10     145630000    35    1200
VE7SPR-10     144970000    35    1200
W7BPD-10      145630000    35    1200


http://bazaudi.com/plu/doku.php?id=plu:test_verify#wl2kax25_test

> I'm wanting to send via radio and not telnet. I gave up on Mutt terminal
> and have Claws GUI working now too, although no configured correctly.

For claws-mail & rainloop you MUST follow the setup instructions exactly as written.
https://github.com/nwdigitalradio/n7nix/tree/master/email/claws

> In the past using the windows desktop I used Winlink Express
> packet. No idea how to send a packet email via radio to the gateway station. I've
> also gps position info on APRS now. If I can just figure out how to send
> email packet to the VHF RMS station I'll be good.

> Pretty confusing setup.

So what would you change to make it better?

Please join the groups.io paclink-unix group and ask your paclink-unix
questions there: https://groups.io/g/paclink-unix



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