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Re: Draws has just about taken me to my wits end

Mike Lussier - AE4ML
 

I won’t be able to touch it til later this coming week. Thank m headed out of town this morning. Back mid week
Re: Draws has just about taken me to my wits end

Basil Gunn
 

"Connection reset by peer" can be a credential problem. Your Winlink
client password can be different then your RMS Gateway password.

The traffic spy you sent me previously was a path or deviation problem
which is a different problem than what you are now describing.
Have your ALSA settings changed? Run this script:

alsa-show.sh

Can you test with a peer-to-peer connection between 2 PAT clients (any
Winlink clients will do)? This would remove the RMS Gateway and point
to a radio/sound card setup problem.

When I am testing or doing development I use 2 radios and Raspberry
Pis. One is an RMS gateway, the other is a Winlink client. This setup
removes the RF path variable & I can look at a packet spy from both
sides. Is there any way for you to get me a packet spy from both your
side (RMS Gateway) and the Winlink client side (PAT) that demonstrates
your current problem?

Mike Lussier - AE4ML <mike.lussier@gmail.com> writes:

Password is correct and in this case this is the output from Pat 11.0 client.
Re: Draws has just about taken me to my wits end

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

If you have this on a Pi 4, I am willing to buy it rather then send it back to
the DRAWS seller should you chose to no longer use it.

Ed, KF9FRQ

On 9/25/2021 6:06 AM, Mike Lussier - AE4ML wrote:
Password is correct  and in this case this is the output from Pat 11.0 client. 


Re: Draws has just about taken me to my wits end

Mike Lussier - AE4ML
 

Password is correct  and in this case this is the output from Pat 11.0 client. 
Re: Draws has just about taken me to my wits end

Basil Gunn
 

I honestly had better luck with Windows and a KPC3+ TNC.
short of a hammer and trash can I'm undecided as what to do next.
Please email sales.nwdr@gmail.com and ask for a return refund and send
your DRAWS board back.

I do not believe your problem has anything to do with your DRAWS sound
card.

You may have an incorrect Winlink password in your Linux RMS Gateway
config file. Although the spy trace you sent me looks like a bad radio
configuration. Once your deviation is set using ALSA parameters the
installation scripts in the n7nix directory set up everything for a
working RMS Gateway. I have 3 Winlink RMS Gateways I maintain that I set
up this way using Kenwood TM-V71a radios.

You have never sent the following output to me before. I assume it is from a
Winlink Express client and is not shown in the spy trace you previously
sent me.

2021/09/24 16:27:07 Exchange failed: read wl2k: connection reset by peer
2021/09/24 16:29:16 Accept ax25 failed: invalid argument
The following can be the result of a bad password or you haven't been authorized
to run a Winlink gateway although AE4ML-10 is in the Winlink
database. Note that the peer doing the reset is a Winlink CMS not Linux
RMS Gateway.

Exchange failed: read wl2k: connection reset by peer
/Basil n7nix




Mike Lussier - AE4ML <mike.lussier@gmail.com> writes:

This was setup months ago and it has never worked correctly. I honestly had better luck with Windows and a KPC3+ TNC.
No one has been able to use the rms gateway. everyone gets the same error "connection reset by peer.
The modulation has been checked and verified on both my stations and the gateway as well as a couple other folks.

short of a hammer and trash can I'm undecided as what to do next. to many people are complaining that they can't use it.
Accepting 3L1E77OJTIDD
Receiving [Winlink Wednesday Roster Published (22 September 2021, Episode #263)] [offset 0]
2021/09/24 16:27:07 Exchange failed: read wl2k: connection reset by peer
2021/09/24 16:29:16 Accept ax25 failed: invalid argument
Draws has just about taken me to my wits end

Mike Lussier - AE4ML
 

This was setup months ago and it has never worked correctly. I honestly had better luck with Windows and a KPC3+ TNC. 
No one has been able to use the rms gateway. everyone gets the same error "connection reset by peer. 
The modulation has been checked and verified on both my stations and the gateway as well as a couple other folks. 

short of a hammer and trash can I'm undecided as  what to do next. to many people are complaining that they can't use it. 
Accepting 3L1E77OJTIDD
Receiving [Winlink Wednesday Roster Published (22 September 2021, Episode #263)] [offset 0]
2021/09/24 16:27:07 Exchange failed: read wl2k: connection reset by peer
2021/09/24 16:29:16 Accept ax25 failed: invalid argument
Re: DRAWS viability

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

As a user of the DRAWS and PiGate system, I would say Yes, this is a viable system.

I built a system with two radios linked  to the Pi and DRAWS.  In is setup for Sending and receiving email via Winlink or Peer to Peer.  The other is setup to use the XASTIR ARPS program (admittedly nor tested for full APRS function but it receives the local packets).  That same radio is available for voice.

I also use the KM4ACK Build-A-Pi setup with my HF rig in my Go Box. I wanted to try taht path and it works well.

Ed, KD9FRQ

On 9/19/2021 11:58 AM, Patrick Bouldin KM5L wrote:
HI, a friend sent me a two year old youtube link on this topic. We are an EMCOM group in Texas looking for a solid solution for Winlink. We want a solution that is cost-effective, but also hardened so that the majority of users don't have to be linux admins, if you know what I mean. Is this viable for that purpose?  Other than this group, I don't see a lot of chatter on the web for it, just here and there.

If this is viable, has anyone written a KISS document for jump starting? 

73,
Patrick KM5L


DRAWS viability

Patrick Bouldin KM5L <patrick@...>
 

HI, a friend sent me a two year old youtube link on this topic. We are an EMCOM group in Texas looking for a solid solution for Winlink. We want a solution that is cost-effective, but also hardened so that the majority of users don't have to be linux admins, if you know what I mean. Is this viable for that purpose?  Other than this group, I don't see a lot of chatter on the web for it, just here and there.

If this is viable, has anyone written a KISS document for jump starting? 

73,
Patrick KM5L
Re: Direwolf APRS Callsign

Tim Huffaker
 
Edited

I was able to use the file as mentioned from Bryan to have three digipeaters working for the AYCE bike event this weekend.  I do like knowing what port to use. It simplifies things so others that helped could to put together two portable digipeaters we used this Saturday.  The event went very well and we were able to see the SAG vehicles running around the course.  The draws board with GPS and GPSD running, PTT with audio is a nice robust way to a build portable Digipeater. 

Tim 
KM4ESU
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Basil Gunn
 

Ed,
After re-reading your question, John's answer is the correct one.
Type: man call
for more info.
Eg. To log into a node or BBS:
call udr0 <some_callsign>


On September 12, 2021 8:08:08 AM PDT, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
You can use the call command. 


On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 07:36 Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
Have you considered APRS text messaging? Since the amount of data you are sending is short, and you are sending it to a specific other station in your use case, APRS text messaging uses a sequence number with acknowledgement and automatic retry if the ack isn't received.

You don't have to worry about channel jamming because your event can use a non-standard frequency for your APRS network. Every bicycle event I have worked has _never_ used the national APRS frequency for their support vehicle tracking.

Most desktop APRS applications can keep track of incoming APRS text messages, and the radios with built-in APRS support can (painfully) send text messages from their keypad.

So your Net Control station watching APRS position reports should be able to see texts from your field stations easily enough.

Just a suggestion.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), which nicely supports monitoring text messages


-------- Original message --------
From: Mitch Winkle <ab4mw@...>
Date: 9/12/21 08:35 (GMT-05:00)
To: udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [draws and udrc] Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Sourceforge project UIChat v 1.07 is a Linux (RPi) based AX.25 Bash
command line utility to send UI messages between stations with optional
digipeaters.

Version 2.0 is now defunct, because the source code was lost and I don't
want to recreate it. :)

On 9/12/2021 08:15, Mitch Winkle wrote:
> You can read that in the specs.  A bit much to explain on an email list.
>
> If you don't know what they are, it's probably not a solution for you.
>
> On 9/12/2021 08:13, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
>> OK. Show what is a UI Frame?
>>
>> How do I send such a thing via my Pi and DRAWS?
>>
>> Do I need to install any new software?
>>
>> Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Basil Gunn
 

Sorry for the lag. I'm traveling.
There are quite a few AX.25 apps that will do peer-to-peer packet.
For 1 to 1 I use chattervox and for 1 to many I use APRS messaging as found in Xastir, YAAC or nixtracker. Try some out to find the one you like best.
/Basil

On September 11, 2021 3:08:49 PM PDT, "Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io" <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Using my Pi, DRAWS and radio, I am able to send and receive emails via
the WinLink network.

Local Peer to Peer has only been tested once and still needs to be
tested more but that is for a different day.

Some of us tried to use old fashioned Peer to Peer Packet recently while
supporting a 100 mile Ultra marathon. I did not participate due to a
vacation so I did not attend the training session.

What do I need to do with my Pi to be able to connect to a Peer, "log
in", drop a test string or file with data (bib number, check point, time
in, time out), "log out" and close the connection so others may do so?

Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

John Hays - K7VE / WRJT-215
 

You can use the call command. 


On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 07:36 Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
Have you considered APRS text messaging? Since the amount of data you are sending is short, and you are sending it to a specific other station in your use case, APRS text messaging uses a sequence number with acknowledgement and automatic retry if the ack isn't received.

You don't have to worry about channel jamming because your event can use a non-standard frequency for your APRS network. Every bicycle event I have worked has _never_ used the national APRS frequency for their support vehicle tracking.

Most desktop APRS applications can keep track of incoming APRS text messages, and the radios with built-in APRS support can (painfully) send text messages from their keypad.

So your Net Control station watching APRS position reports should be able to see texts from your field stations easily enough.

Just a suggestion.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), which nicely supports monitoring text messages


-------- Original message --------
From: Mitch Winkle <ab4mw@...>
Date: 9/12/21 08:35 (GMT-05:00)
To: udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [draws and udrc] Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Sourceforge project UIChat v 1.07 is a Linux (RPi) based AX.25 Bash
command line utility to send UI messages between stations with optional
digipeaters.

Version 2.0 is now defunct, because the source code was lost and I don't
want to recreate it. :)

On 9/12/2021 08:15, Mitch Winkle wrote:
> You can read that in the specs.  A bit much to explain on an email list.
>
> If you don't know what they are, it's probably not a solution for you.
>
> On 9/12/2021 08:13, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
>> OK. Show what is a UI Frame?
>>
>> How do I send such a thing via my Pi and DRAWS?
>>
>> Do I need to install any new software?
>>
>> Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Andrew P.
 

Have you considered APRS text messaging? Since the amount of data you are sending is short, and you are sending it to a specific other station in your use case, APRS text messaging uses a sequence number with acknowledgement and automatic retry if the ack isn't received.

You don't have to worry about channel jamming because your event can use a non-standard frequency for your APRS network. Every bicycle event I have worked has _never_ used the national APRS frequency for their support vehicle tracking.

Most desktop APRS applications can keep track of incoming APRS text messages, and the radios with built-in APRS support can (painfully) send text messages from their keypad.

So your Net Control station watching APRS position reports should be able to see texts from your field stations easily enough.

Just a suggestion.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), which nicely supports monitoring text messages


-------- Original message --------
From: Mitch Winkle <ab4mw@...>
Date: 9/12/21 08:35 (GMT-05:00)
To: udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [draws and udrc] Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Sourceforge project UIChat v 1.07 is a Linux (RPi) based AX.25 Bash
command line utility to send UI messages between stations with optional
digipeaters.

Version 2.0 is now defunct, because the source code was lost and I don't
want to recreate it. :)

On 9/12/2021 08:15, Mitch Winkle wrote:
> You can read that in the specs.  A bit much to explain on an email list.
>
> If you don't know what they are, it's probably not a solution for you.
>
> On 9/12/2021 08:13, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
>> OK. Show what is a UI Frame?
>>
>> How do I send such a thing via my Pi and DRAWS?
>>
>> Do I need to install any new software?
>>
>> Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: UDRC-II power jumper

Bryan Hoyer
 

Yes

73,
Bryan K7UDR
NW Digital Radio



On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Erik Nelson <erik.nels0n99@...> wrote:

That is correct, I see JP1, JP2 and JP3 however I'm not sure any of these are correct. If the 12v isn't supplied from the repeater, will 5v to the Pi automatically power the UDRC? I can't locate a manual to confirm.


On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:14 Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
I assume you’re using the Yaesu DR-1X repeater?

73,
Bryan K7UDR
NW Digital Radio
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Mitch Winkle
 

Sourceforge project UIChat v 1.07 is a Linux (RPi) based AX.25 Bash command line utility to send UI messages between stations with optional digipeaters.

Version 2.0 is now defunct, because the source code was lost and I don't want to recreate it. :)

On 9/12/2021 08:15, Mitch Winkle wrote:
You can read that in the specs.  A bit much to explain on an email list.

If you don't know what they are, it's probably not a solution for you.

On 9/12/2021 08:13, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
OK. Show what is a UI Frame?

How do I send such a thing via my Pi and DRAWS?

Do I need to install any new software?

Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Mitch Winkle
 

You can read that in the specs.  A bit much to explain on an email list.

If you don't know what they are, it's probably not a solution for you.

On 9/12/2021 08:13, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
OK. Show what is a UI Frame?

How do I send such a thing via my Pi and DRAWS?

Do I need to install any new software?

Ed, KD9FRQ

On 9/12/2021 6:21 AM, Mitch Winkle wrote:
UI Frames are ideal for such a thing, but they carry no ARQ so no guaranteed delivery.  No connection at all, just a frame between two call signs with data (up to 255 bytes) in it.

If you have to have guaranteed delivery, a "BBS" or node application to gather data would be necessary.

On 9/11/2021 18:08, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
Using my Pi, DRAWS and radio, I am able to send and receive emails via the WinLink network.

Local Peer to Peer has only been tested once and still needs to be tested more but that is for a different day.

Some of us tried to use old fashioned Peer to Peer Packet recently while supporting a 100 mile Ultra marathon. I did not participate due to a vacation so I did not attend the training session.

What do I need to do with my Pi to be able to connect to a Peer, "log in", drop a test string or file with data (bib number, check point, time in, time out), "log out" and close the connection so others may do so?

Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

OK.  Show what is a UI Frame?

How do I send such a thing via my Pi and DRAWS?

Do I need to install any new software?

Ed, KD9FRQ

On 9/12/2021 6:21 AM, Mitch Winkle wrote:
UI Frames are ideal for such a thing, but they carry no ARQ so no guaranteed delivery.  No connection at all, just a frame between two call signs with data (up to 255 bytes) in it.

If you have to have guaranteed delivery, a "BBS" or node application to gather data would be necessary.

On 9/11/2021 18:08, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
Using my Pi, DRAWS and radio, I am able to send and receive emails via the WinLink network.

Local Peer to Peer has only been tested once and still needs to be tested more but that is for a different day.

Some of us tried to use old fashioned Peer to Peer Packet recently while supporting a 100 mile Ultra marathon. I did not participate due to a vacation so I did not attend the training session.

What do I need to do with my Pi to be able to connect to a Peer, "log in", drop a test string or file with data (bib number, check point, time in, time out), "log out" and close the connection so others may do so?

Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Mitch Winkle
 

UI Frames are ideal for such a thing, but they carry no ARQ so no guaranteed delivery.  No connection at all, just a frame between two call signs with data (up to 255 bytes) in it.

If you have to have guaranteed delivery, a "BBS" or node application to gather data would be necessary.

On 9/11/2021 18:08, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
Using my Pi, DRAWS and radio, I am able to send and receive emails via the WinLink network.

Local Peer to Peer has only been tested once and still needs to be tested more but that is for a different day.

Some of us tried to use old fashioned Peer to Peer Packet recently while supporting a 100 mile Ultra marathon. I did not participate due to a vacation so I did not attend the training session.

What do I need to do with my Pi to be able to connect to a Peer, "log in", drop a test string or file with data (bib number, check point, time in, time out), "log out" and close the connection so others may do so?

Ed, KD9FRQ
Re: UDRC-II power jumper

Erik Nelson
 

That is correct, I see JP1, JP2 and JP3 however I'm not sure any of these are correct. If the 12v isn't supplied from the repeater, will 5v to the Pi automatically power the UDRC? I can't locate a manual to confirm.


On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:14 Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
I assume you’re using the Yaesu DR-1X repeater?

73,
Bryan K7UDR
NW Digital Radio
Peer to Peer "Chat" or Packet

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

Using my Pi, DRAWS and radio, I am able to send and receive emails via the WinLink network.

Local Peer to Peer has only been tested once and still needs to be tested more but that is for a different day.

Some of us tried to use old fashioned Peer to Peer Packet recently while supporting a 100 mile Ultra marathon. I did not participate due to a vacation so I did not attend the training session.

What do I need to do with my Pi to be able to connect to a Peer, "log in", drop a test string or file with data (bib number, check point, time in, time out), "log out" and close the connection so others may do so?

Ed, KD9FRQ
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