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Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

The RTC is part of the GPS and is set by the GPS, make sure your GPS is receiving to get the RTC set, you can use gpsmon or cgps to check the gps.  Then gpsd and chrony need to be running for the system clock updates.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:51 PM Gayland Gump <kg7gcf@...> wrote:
FYI,  I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna installed.  I ended up setting it manually using the date command.  Haven't been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that soon.

Gayland
KG7GCF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:35 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

> Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
> This time command
> systemctl status chrony
> showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
> chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Bernard f6bvp
>
>
>> Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :
>>
>> Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:
>>>
>>> > I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
>>> > correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
>>> > etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
>>> > two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
>>>
>>> That's true & I need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
>>> implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
>>> you install ntp, chrony is removed.
>>> I need to look into using chrony without a gps.
>>>
>>> /Basil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>





--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Gayland Gump
 

FYI,  I installed a battery before I first powered up the DRAWS but the time did not update even with a network connection and the gps antenna installed.  I ended up setting it manually using the date command.  Haven't been back to it to see if it has held will try to get around to that soon.

Gayland
KG7GCF


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:35 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

> Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
> This time command
> systemctl status chrony
> showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
> chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Bernard f6bvp
>
>
>> Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :
>>
>> Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:
>>>
>>> > I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
>>> > correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
>>> > etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
>>> > two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
>>>
>>> That's true & I need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
>>> implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
>>> you install ntp, chrony is removed.
>>> I need to look into using chrony without a gps.
>>>
>>> /Basil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

I will add that if you go into /etc/chrony/chrony.conf and modify the line for PPS and add prefer to the end, that should give you the most accurate time when the GPS is running.

refclock SHM 2 refid PPS precision 1e-9 poll 3 trust prefer


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:35 PM Basil Gunn <basil@...> wrote:

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

> Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
> This time command
> systemctl status chrony
> showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
> chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73 de Bernard f6bvp
>
>
>> Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :
>>
>> Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:
>>>
>>> > I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
>>> > correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
>>> > etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
>>> > two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
>>>
>>> That's true & I need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
>>> implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
>>> you install ntp, chrony is removed.
>>> I need to look into using chrony without a gps.
>>>
>>> /Basil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>





--


John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE

   


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Basil Gunn
 

Bernard,

I have been playing around with chrony for a few hours now and I've
convinced myself that chronyd should work fine with or without a gps
antenna connected.

If you look at the output of this command without a GPS antenna:

sudo timedatectl

it should have "Network time on: yes"

I have experienced chrony sometimes taking several minutes to get the
local time correct. I think installing the battery on the DRAWS board
could help that behavior. Let me know if you see other time related
problems.

/Basil



f6bvp <f6bvp@...> writes:

Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp.
This time command
systemctl status chrony
showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.

Thanks,

73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> a écrit :

Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <@basil860 wrote:

I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
etc...configuration. Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps. Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil



Re: kissattach ports address

Basil Gunn
 

Yes good idea.
/Basil

Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@...> writes:

Hi,
I would prefere to have IP address
of AX25 ports being set as parameters rather that fixed IP values inside the script ax25-upd.
Something like :
PORT_1_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.xx »
PORT_2_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.yy »

and in the call to kissattach
${pseudo term}
${PORTNAME_1} $PORT_1_ADDRESS > /tmp/ax25-config.tmp


73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:00, John D Hays - K7VE <@john_hays> a écrit :

Look at the Wiki. Chrony is installed in lieu of ntpd.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 07:52 Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@... wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp




kissattach ports address

Bernard Pidoux
 

Hi,
I would prefere to have IP address 
of AX25 ports being set as parameters rather that fixed IP values inside the script ax25-upd.
Something like :
PORT_1_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.xx »
PORT_2_ADDRESS=« 44.168.xx.yy »

and in the call to kissattach 
${pseudo term}
${PORTNAME_1} $PORT_1_ADDRESS > /tmp/ax25-config.tmp


73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:00, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :

Look at the Wiki. Chrony is installed in lieu of ntpd. 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 07:52 Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@... wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus  I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display  local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp





Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Basil Gunn
 

So I take it that there is not a script
or GUI UI that sets all the packages up from a checkbox list and some
data entry like my name, call sign and grid.
Not yet. That is our vision for config as well.

I am working to get a 20m Gateway up once the unit I order
this morning arrives
Nice!

1 Feb 2019 9or there abouts).Ed Bloom
ewbloom@... from Webmail access
-----Original Message-----
From: Basil Gunn <@basil860>
To: udrc <udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [udrc] ARDOP on the DRAWS



NEVER MIND!!! I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....But does not answer
the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loadedand
ready to use?Ed Bloom
Both arim 2.4 & latest version of ardop are installed on the image.
Not sure what you mean by "ready to use". You have to configure any of
the applications that are on the image.

I have successfully run arim with ardop on the RPi. Also I am working
on having paclink-unix use ardop as a transport.

/Basil


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Bernard f6bvp / ai7bg
 

Ok. I reinstalled chrony for it had been removed when installing ntp. 
This time command 
systemctl status chrony 
showed that it was started as ntp client/server and
chrony sources command found 6 sources while gps is not activated.

Thanks,

73 de Bernard f6bvp


Le 18 déc. 2018 à 17:20, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> a écrit :

Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet. 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:

> I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
> correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
> etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
> two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.

That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil




Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

Basil,
 
Thank you for answering.  So I take it that there is not a script or GUI UI that sets all the packages up from a checkbox list and some data entry like my name, call sign and grid.
 
Knowing ARDOP is available it great. I am working to get a 20m Gateway up once the unit I order this morning arrives 1 Feb 2019 9or there abouts).
 
Ed Bloom
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Basil Gunn <basil@...>
To: udrc <udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [udrc] ARDOP on the DRAWS



> NEVER MIND!!! I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....But does not answer
> the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loadedand
> ready to use?Ed Bloom

Both arim 2.4 & latest version of ardop are installed on the image.
Not sure what you mean by "ready to use". You have to configure any of
the applications that are on the image.

I have successfully run arim with ardop on the RPi.  Also I am working
on having paclink-unix use ardop as a transport.

/Basil





Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Basil Gunn
 

NEVER MIND!!! I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....But does not answer
the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loadedand
ready to use?Ed Bloom
Both arim 2.4 & latest version of ardop are installed on the image.
Not sure what you mean by "ready to use". You have to configure any of
the applications that are on the image.

I have successfully run arim with ardop on the RPi. Also I am working
on having paclink-unix use ardop as a transport.

/Basil


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

Chrony works without GPS as a client on the Internet. 


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 08:13 Basil Gunn <basil@... wrote:

> I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
> correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
> etc...configuration.  Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
> two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.

That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps.  Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil




Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Basil Gunn
 

I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set
correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard
etc...configuration. Thus I apt-get installed ntp and after one or
two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
That's true & I need to fix that.

Currently time defaults to using chrony & the gps. Chrony is another
implementation the Network Time Protocol. You should notice that when
you install ntp, chrony is removed.
I need to look into using chrony without a gps.

/Basil


Re: ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

 

Look at the Wiki. Chrony is installed in lieu of ntpd. 


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 07:52 Bernard Pidoux <bernard.f6bvp@... wrote:
Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus  I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display  local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp





ntpd not installed on beta 5 #ntp #chrony #ntpd

Bernard Pidoux
 

Hi,
I noticed that on my compass beta-5 system the time was not set correctly despite I did perform initial country, keyboard etc...configuration.
Thus I apt-get installed ntp
and after one or two minutes the console clock did display local time correctly.
Consequently I suggest to pre install ntpd on next compass draws releases.

Bernard, f6bvp


Re: DRAWS GPS Altitude limit #draws #gps

 

We are using the S1216F8-GL

Datasheet:



On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Brian Badger <brian@...> wrote:

I don’t know the exact model used but the S1216 GNSS module datasheet says that it will support <18000m OR <515 m/s.  “Either may be exceeded but not both”

Brian N0KZ 


On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Craig Baker, KF7LLA <kf7lla@...> wrote:

Having done a HAB project, we used a Big Red Bee as our primary tracker and were experimenting with the Trackuino (https://github.com/trackuino) that uses the SparkFun GPS-11058 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/11058).  I'm not sure what the replacement is for the GPS-11058, as that's discontinued, but there should be a newer version that still supports the OR condition.

Craig / KF7LLA


Re: (longer) DRAWS power cable? #draws #power

 

Yes Brian, you are correct.

We are finalizing a case design now. Details shortly.

Bryan K7UDR


Re: ARDOP on the DRAWS

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

NEVER MIND!!!  I overlooked ARDOP in the list.....
 
But does not answer the second question.....Does the Compass load have ARDOP loaded
and ready to use?
 
Ed Bloom
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ <ewbloom@...>
To: udrc <udrc@nw-digital-radio.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 7:22 am
Subject: [udrc] ARDOP on the DRAWS

Is the DRAWS hat capable to run ARDOP?
 
If so, does the Compass load have ARDOP loaded? 
 
Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


ARDOP on the DRAWS

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

Is the DRAWS hat capable to run ARDOP?
 
If so, does the Compass load have ARDOP loaded? 
 
Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


Re: DRAWS RTC

Art - KC7SDA
 

ah ok, thats the part I was missing, I thought it was a module that had to be loaded like adafruits tutorial on adding rtc's.

I guess I better buy a bunch of the backup batteries then! I had one setup that its battery lasted months before I had to replace it!


Re: (longer) DRAWS power cable? #draws #power

Budd Churchward
 

While you are at it, don’t forget to include a fuse in the line. Like the UDRCs that preceded it, the DRAWS board uses a diode across the input voltage and ground for reverse polarity protection which simply explodes micro-seconds before it fries the board unless you have a fuse. Ask me how I know. Ask Anna. We’ve seen fire. As the saying goes: “It stops working when you let the magic smoke out.”
 
Budd WB7FHC
 

Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [udrc] (longer) DRAWS power cable? #draws #power
 
John,
 
Thanks for the input.  I am pretty much a rank amateur on the hardware side of things.  I've already managed loose an inch or more off the pigtails trying to put some Anderson Power Poles on them.  Hadn't occurred to me to simply solder longer wires to the pigtails.  I assume that I could go to a larger gauge of wire which would allow me to have a somewhat more robust termination to the connectors I want to try.  That 28 gauge wire in the pigtails is awfully fragile to a fumble thumbs like me.
 
If you have a part number for the pig tails and a source I'd appreciate hearing more from you.
 
Gayland
KG7GCF
 
 
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 2:45 PM John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:
Be careful to get the right polarity, to match the pins on the DRAWS board.  We have seen some with the black and red wires switched from what DRAWS is expecting.

We are looking at some options, so don't overdo it on buying a bunch of pigtails.

BTW, pigtails are meant to be just that, a little solder and shrink tubing and connect it to a longer cable with whatever connector you like on the other end.
 
 
 
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 2:15 PM Robert Sears <kf7vop@...> wrote:

Complete assemblies

https://www.adafruit.com/product/261

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9914

Robert/KF7VOP

On 12/15/2018 09:53 AM, Gayland Gump wrote:
Does anyone have a source for the power pigtails for the DRAWS?  I'll likely need a few as I learn how to put Anderson Power Pole connectors on the non-terminated end of the pigtail.  The one I got with the DRAWS is already getting too short as I fail my way through to having enough experience and technique to achieve success.
 
Gayland
KG7GCF
 
 
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:57 AM Bryan Hoyer <bhhoyer@...> wrote:
Connector is JST XRH Series

> On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Steve Stroh <steve.stroh@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a lead on a longer power cable for a DRAWS?
>
> Yes, I know I can splice a longer cable onto the one that's supplied
> with the unit, but I'd rather not.
>
> I'm sure there's something on Amazon, but I don't even know what to
> call that particular connector.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve N8GNJ
>
> --
> Steve Stroh (personal / general): stevestroh@...
>
>
>




 
 
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John D. Hays
Edmonds, WA
K7VE